Hallo,
* Bob Proulx [Sat, Feb 16 2013, 01:54:44PM]:
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Nah, not having much spare time to post doesn't mean I have to drop
all the good habits.
I had nothing in the mailbox for the last year of recent memory. I
will call that good enough to be called a while.
Bob
Eduard Bloch wrote:
* Bob Proulx wrote:
Please quote my exact words where I misused terminology. I do not see
it. I never said GB nor GiB. I used a number.
Yeah. A number as answer to something about GB. Have you ever been on
the Jeopardy show?
I interpreted the question as how to
On 02/16/2013 04:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 01:28:06 +0100, agroconsultor0
agroconsult...@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/16/2013 03:23 PM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
This conversation is unbelievable. Debian-user is supposedly a list
where
voluntary people answer simple
Hi agroconsultor0,
somebody captured a thread, instead of replying to this thread or opening
a new one.
This OP ask people who were talking about a technical issue, Debian does
ship with apps that use wrong prefixes, to stop this discussion, calling
it a ego demonstration.
You don't
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 12:33 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
10^9 = (5 * 2)^9 = 5^9 * 2^9 = 1953125 * 512.
So it is possible to have a disk of 1 953 125 sectors of 512 bytes,
which is exactly 1 000 000 000 bytes.
I personnally own a disk of exactly 20 GB (20 000 000 000 bytes).
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 12:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Let me rephrase it. Can you provide an example of a freshly created
filesystem of a common size with an overhead of at least 7%, i.e. with
the free space being less than 93 % of the raw size ?
How about answering my
On 02/17/2013 08:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hi agroconsultor0,
somebody captured a thread, instead of replying to this thread or
opening a new one.
This OP ask people who were talking about a technical issue, Debian
does ship with apps that use wrong prefixes, to stop this discussion,
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:49:33 +0100, agroconsultor0
agroconsult...@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/17/2013 08:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hi agroconsultor0,
somebody captured a thread, instead of replying to this thread or
opening a new one.
This OP ask people who were talking about a technical
Hi,
When dealing with computers, it's powers of 2. When dealing with
distances, it's powers of 10.
Not so. Manufacturers of hard drives normally (frequently?) give the
size in decimal, though they obviously don't say so, to make them look
bigger.
Actually, they do say so. Most
On Saturday 16 February 2013 03:20:54 Jerry Stuckle wrote:
When dealing with computers, it's powers of 2. When
dealing with distances, it's powers of 10.
Not so. Manufacturers of hard drives normally (frequently?) give the size in
decimal, though they obviously don't say so, to make them
Hallo,
* Bob Proulx [Sun, Feb 10 2013, 11:46:30AM]:
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Hallo,
* Bob Proulx [Sat, Feb 09 2013, 11:44:03AM]:
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You can make your own divider the
number 34,969[1] if you like.
Wow, someone trying to disguise the own mistaken convention as
Hallo,
* Lisi Reisz [Sat, Feb 16 2013, 08:20:45AM]:
On Saturday 16 February 2013 03:20:54 Jerry Stuckle wrote:
When dealing with computers, it's powers of 2. When
dealing with distances, it's powers of 10.
Not so. Manufacturers of hard drives normally (frequently?) give the size in
On Saturday 16 February 2013 10:43:51 Eduard Bloch wrote:
Hallo,
* Lisi Reisz [Sat, Feb 16 2013, 08:20:45AM]:
On Saturday 16 February 2013 03:20:54 Jerry Stuckle wrote:
When dealing with computers, it's powers of 2. When
dealing with distances, it's powers of 10.
Not so.
On 16/02/13 03:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 09:50 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 13 feb 13, 14:08:15, Richard Hector wrote:
Abusing the standard prefixes like that was always a horrible hack.
+1
It's
doug writes:
Actually, when dealing with distances, it's not powers of 10, it
factors of 12, (inches/foot) 3, (feet.yard) and 5280 (ft/mile). Leave
us not get into furlongs, leave us not!
Or stones, or the fact that there are two very, very slightly different
miles...
Much of this comes from
On 2/16/2013 1:30 AM, doug wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 04:20:54 +0100, Jerry Stuckle
jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
And who declared these made-up prefixes official?
Making up prefixes for something which has always been that way is
confusing.
It's simple. When dealing with computers, it's
On 2/16/2013 1:37 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 16/02/13 17:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Powers of 10 make completely no sense. Why not simply dropping the
powers of 10 and using the prefixes *B and *iB both for the powers of 2?
Powers of 2 make sense when you're talking about RAM, where the
On 2/16/2013 3:20 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 16 February 2013 03:20:54 Jerry Stuckle wrote:
When dealing with computers, it's powers of 2. When
dealing with distances, it's powers of 10.
Not so. Manufacturers of hard drives normally (frequently?) give the size in
decimal, though they
On 2/16/2013 5:28 AM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
Hallo,
* Bob Proulx [Sun, Feb 10 2013, 11:46:30AM]:
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Hallo,
* Bob Proulx [Sat, Feb 09 2013, 11:44:03AM]:
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You can make your own divider the
number 34,969[1] if you like.
Wow, someone trying to
On 2/16/2013 5:43 AM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
Hallo,
* Lisi Reisz [Sat, Feb 16 2013, 08:20:45AM]:
On Saturday 16 February 2013 03:20:54 Jerry Stuckle wrote:
When dealing with computers, it's powers of 2. When
dealing with distances, it's powers of 10.
Not so. Manufacturers of hard drives
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 09:24:36AM +, Darac Marjal wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 03:56:58PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 03:35:01PM +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote:
(Finally, as we know, there's only 10 kinds of people...)
Yeah, those that put people into
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
And now there are official binary prefixes, so there is no
excuse for not using them when powers of 2 are more convenient instead
of abusing SI decimal prefixes.
And who declared these made-up prefixes official?
BIPM
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 08:20:45AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 16 February 2013 03:20:54 Jerry Stuckle wrote:
When dealing with computers, it's powers of 2. When
dealing with distances, it's powers of 10.
Not so. Manufacturers of hard drives normally (frequently?) give the size
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 1:37 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
Powers of 2 make sense when you're talking about RAM, where the modules
have a certain number of binary address lines, so they naturally fall on
those boundaries.
For disks, there's no particular advantage, and manufacturers
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 5:43 AM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
In fact, the main reason for becoming a drama is the impression that
numbers have on some people's mind. I bought a 32 gig stick and Windows
says it's not even 30 gig on it... that's FRAUD!!
Sure it has 32GB on it. But that
On 2/16/2013 9:54 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
And now there are official binary prefixes, so there is no
excuse for not using them when powers of 2 are more convenient instead
of abusing SI decimal prefixes.
And who declared
On 2/16/2013 10:04 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 1:37 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
Powers of 2 make sense when you're talking about RAM, where the modules
have a certain number of binary address lines, so they naturally fall on
those boundaries.
For disks,
On 2/16/2013 10:20 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 5:43 AM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
In fact, the main reason for becoming a drama is the impression that
numbers have on some people's mind. I bought a 32 gig stick and Windows
says it's not even 30 gig on it...
I'm willing to use what prefix ever, but it's annoying, if I need exact
information, to figure out how the Linux app I'm using, does interpret the
prefix.
hwinfo does use GB for powers of 2 and gparted does use GiB for powers of
2, for Linux apps I'm using seldom I never do know what they
On 16/02/13 16:54, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/16/2013 9:54 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
And now there are official binary prefixes, so there is no
excuse for not using them when powers of 2 are more convenient instead
of
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 10:04 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Big deal. The sector size is 2^9 bytes, but the sector count is a
totally arbitrary number, and is orders of magnitude bigger. So the
binary nature of the sector size is completely invisible in the disk
capacity. Even SSDs
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 9:54 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
But this is not the point. I repeat, the use of powers of 2 is perfectly
acceptable. What is not acceptable any more is the abuse of decimal SI
prefixes for powers of 2. I have abused them too, but always felt
On 2/16/2013 12:33 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 10:04 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Big deal. The sector size is 2^9 bytes, but the sector count is a
totally arbitrary number, and is orders of magnitude bigger. So the
binary nature of the sector size is
On 2/16/2013 12:38 PM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
On 16/02/13 16:54, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/16/2013 9:54 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
And now there are official binary prefixes, so there is no
excuse for not using them when
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 10:20 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 5:43 AM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
In fact, the main reason for becoming a drama is the impression that
numbers have on some people's mind. I bought a 32 gig stick and Windows
says it's not
On 2/16/2013 12:47 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 9:54 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
But this is not the point. I repeat, the use of powers of 2 is perfectly
acceptable. What is not acceptable any more is the abuse of decimal SI
prefixes for powers of 2. I have
On 2/16/2013 12:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 10:20 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 2/16/2013 5:43 AM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
In fact, the main reason for becoming a drama is the impression that
numbers have on some people's mind. I
Hallo,
* Jerry Stuckle [Sat, Feb 16 2013, 09:09:42AM]:
And there is it again :-( Please don't justify pure misuse of
terminology with false analogies like this document about Holy Wars at
absolutely equivalent things (equivalent WRT their application).
In the field of arithmetics the effects
Hallo,
* Jerry Stuckle [Sat, Feb 16 2013, 01:36:42PM]:
On 2/16/2013 5:43 AM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
In fact, the main reason for becoming a drama is the impression that
numbers have on some people's mind. I bought a 32 gig stick and Windows
says it's not even 30 gig on it... that's FRAUD!!
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Nah, not having much spare time to post doesn't mean I have to drop
all the good habits.
I had nothing in the mailbox for the last year of recent memory. I
will call that good enough to be called a while.
Bob Proulx wrote:
$ perl -le 'print 5605687296 /
On 2/16/2013 3:40 PM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
Hallo,
* Jerry Stuckle [Sat, Feb 16 2013, 01:36:42PM]:
On 2/16/2013 5:43 AM, Eduard Bloch wrote:
In fact, the main reason for becoming a drama is the impression that
numbers have on some people's mind. I bought a 32 gig stick and Windows
says it's not
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:
On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Agreed. And now there are official binary prefixes, so there is no
excuse for not using them when powers of 2 are more convenient instead
of abusing SI decimal prefixes.
And who declared these made-up
On 2/16/2013 3:50 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:
On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Agreed. And now there are official binary prefixes, so there is no
excuse for not using them when powers of 2 are more convenient instead
of abusing SI decimal
This conversation is unbelievable. Debian-user is supposedly a list where
voluntary people answer simple practical questions of users. Are you
really going to enforce list members to watch such ego demonstrations and
unfunny jokes?
On 2/16/2013 3:50 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Jerry Stuckle
On 02/16/2013 03:23 PM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
This conversation is unbelievable. Debian-user is supposedly a list where
voluntary people answer simple practical questions of users. Are you
really going to enforce list members to watch such ego demonstrations and
unfunny jokes?
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 01:28:06 +0100, agroconsultor0
agroconsult...@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/16/2013 03:23 PM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
This conversation is unbelievable. Debian-user is supposedly a list
where
voluntary people answer simple practical questions of users. Are you
really
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 03:56:58PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 03:35:01PM +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote:
(Finally, as we know, there's only 10 kinds of people...)
Yeah, those that put people into categories and those that don't :)
Then surely you're in the category
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:58:16 +1300
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 02:41:47PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
On 13/02/13 14:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/12/2013 4:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Assumed you'll build a fence, 10m long and every 1m
On 2/14/2013 4:52 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 09:50 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 13 feb 13, 14:08:15, Richard Hector wrote:
Abusing the standard prefixes like that was always a horrible hack.
+1
It's also a major source of confusion for
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 04:20:54 +0100, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
wrote:
And who declared these made-up prefixes official?
Making up prefixes for something which has always been that way is
confusing.
It's simple. When dealing with computers, it's powers of 2. When
dealing with
On 16/02/13 17:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Powers of 10 make completely no sense. Why not simply dropping the
powers of 10 and using the prefixes *B and *iB both for the powers of 2?
Powers of 2 make sense when you're talking about RAM, where the modules
have a certain number of binary address
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:37:20 +0100, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz
wrote:
Of course the ultimate craziness is 1.44Mb (1440kiB) floppies
Wow, I never noticed that, or I have forgotten hat I noticed it. In my
defence, I used 3.5 discs quasi only for the Atari ST, so most of them
are
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 09:50 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 13 feb 13, 14:08:15, Richard Hector wrote:
On 12/02/13 22:43, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
My machine has got 4GB RAM too, but only 1,000,000,000 hex-bytes ;p.
Serious, there is no other correct sum than 4,294,967,296 bytes. For an
Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 09:50 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 13 feb 13, 14:08:15, Richard Hector wrote:
Abusing the standard prefixes like that was always a horrible hack.
+1
It's also a major source of confusion for many users.
Agreed. And now there are official
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 03:35:01PM +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote:
(Finally, as we know, there's only 10 kinds of people...)
Yeah, those that put people into categories and those that don't :)
--
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 02:41:47PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
On 13/02/13 14:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/12/2013 4:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Assumed you'll build a fence, 10m long and every 1m there should be 1
fence post, how many fence posts do you need?
11 :)
Depends how
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From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT - Convert output of byte count to GB count?
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 02:52:08 +0100
On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 14:41 +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
you can leave up to 1m
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:41:47 +1300
Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 13/02/13 14:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/12/2013 4:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Assumed you'll build a fence, 10m long and every 1m there should
be 1 fence post, how many fence posts do you need?
11
On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 15:35 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:41:47 +1300
Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 13/02/13 14:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/12/2013 4:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Assumed you'll build a fence, 10m long and every 1m there should
On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 15:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 15:35 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:41:47 +1300
Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
On 13/02/13 14:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/12/2013 4:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mi, 13 feb 13, 14:08:15, Richard Hector wrote:
On 12/02/13 22:43, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
My machine has got 4GB RAM too, but only 1,000,000,000 hex-bytes ;p.
Serious, there is no other correct sum than 4,294,967,296 bytes. For an
old former Assembler programmer it's disgusting to
On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 20:13 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
And this laptop has 4GB of ram
- which means 4,294,967,296 bytes - not 4,000,000,000 bytes.
My machine has got 4GB RAM too, but only 1,000,000,000 hex-bytes ;p.
Serious, there is no other correct sum than 4,294,967,296 bytes. For an
old
On 12/02/13 22:43, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
My machine has got 4GB RAM too, but only 1,000,000,000 hex-bytes ;p.
Serious, there is no other correct sum than 4,294,967,296 bytes. For an
old former Assembler programmer it's disgusting to distinguish between
GB and GiB. OTOH kilos etc. are 10^x, but
On 2/12/2013 4:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 20:13 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
And this laptop has 4GB of ram
- which means 4,294,967,296 bytes - not 4,000,000,000 bytes.
My machine has got 4GB RAM too, but only 1,000,000,000 hex-bytes ;p.
Serious, there is no other correct
On 13/02/13 14:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 2/12/2013 4:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Assumed you'll build a fence, 10m long and every 1m there should be 1
fence post, how many fence posts do you need?
11 :)
Depends how you interpret the instructions. If it's you can leave up to
1m hanging
Bob Proulx a écrit :
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Bob Proulx a écrit :
$ perl -le 'print 5605687296 / (1024*1024*1024)'
Note that 1 GB (gigabyte) is 10^9 bytes as can be seen in the GNU dd
output. 1024^3 is 1 GiB (gibibyte).
For me I prefer binary powers of two
when using it in relation to
On 2/11/2013 6:54 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Bob Proulx a écrit :
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Bob Proulx a écrit :
$ perl -le 'print 5605687296 / (1024*1024*1024)'
Note that 1 GB (gigabyte) is 10^9 bytes as can be seen in the GNU dd
output. 1024^3 is 1 GiB (gibibyte).
For me I prefer binary
Hallo,
* Bob Proulx [Sat, Feb 09 2013, 11:44:03AM]:
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Bob Proulx a écrit :
$ perl -le 'print 5605687296 / (1024*1024*1024)'
Note that 1 GB (gigabyte) is 10^9 bytes as can be seen in the GNU dd
output. 1024^3 is 1 GiB (gibibyte).
You say tomato, I say tomahto.
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Hallo,
* Bob Proulx [Sat, Feb 09 2013, 11:44:03AM]:
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You can make your own divider the
number 34,969[1] if you like.
Wow, someone trying to disguise the own mistaken convention as pure
matter of preference?
For me I prefer binary
Hello,
Bob Proulx a écrit :
Kent West wrote:
The GNU dd command, when sent the -USR1 signal, pauses processing long
enough to spit out a status line, like so:
18335302+0 records in18335302+0 records out 9387674624 bytes (9.4 GB)
copied, 34.6279 seconds, 271 MB/s
...
5605687296 bytes
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Bob Proulx a écrit :
$ perl -le 'print 5605687296 / (1024*1024*1024)'
Note that 1 GB (gigabyte) is 10^9 bytes as can be seen in the GNU dd
output. 1024^3 is 1 GiB (gibibyte).
You say tomato, I say tomahto. You can make your own divider the
number 34,969[1] if you
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 01:26:45PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
This is off-topic because it's on OS/X instead of Debian, but you folks
are the smartest, so
The GNU dd command, when sent the -USR1 signal, pauses processing long
enough to spit out a status line, like so:
You could use GNU units. It appears to treat SI prefixes as strictly base 10,
so use the KiB/MiB etc. variants where applicable:
$ units 8112116KiB MiB
* 7921.9883
/ 0.00012623094
Something like
…21| awk '/transferred/' {print $1}'|while read i; do units ${i}bytes
GiB; done
Kent West wrote:
The GNU dd command, when sent the -USR1 signal, pauses processing long
enough to spit out a status line, like so:
18335302+0 records in18335302+0 records out 9387674624 bytes (9.4 GB)
copied, 34.6279 seconds, 271 MB/s
...
5605687296 bytes transferred in 1890.826832 secs
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