Re: compressor

2012-08-25 Thread Gaël DONVAL
Le vendredi 24 août 2012 à 13:28 -0600, Bob Proulx a écrit : You are very observant! And by this you are not in the target audience I was talking about. I know people and many people will see 66M versus 65M as a strong indicator when it should not be taken as significant at all. These

Re: compressor

2012-08-24 Thread Gaël DONVAL
Le jeudi 23 août 2012 à 20:24 +0800, lina a écrit : Sorry, here you mean, once tar -Jcf a.tar.xz a again tar -Jcf a.tar.xz a.tar.xz ? No, I think this was a joke :) In most programs, there is a depth or pass number parameter that does just this already. If you try to compress

Re: compressor

2012-08-24 Thread Jon Dowland
on a recent article where someone expressed surprise that multiple manual passes of a compressor (I think gz) resulted in smaller file sizes. (I couldn't find a copy of the article to link to) In most programs, there is a depth or pass number parameter that does just this already. If you try to compress

Re: compressor

2012-08-24 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 02:26:25PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: There is a problem with the mashing and reformatting. It makes lzip appear to be 66M against xz being 65M and so xz is better, right? snip It would be better to look at the long byte counts for this type of comparison. You're right,

Re: compressor

2012-08-24 Thread Gaël DONVAL
Le jeudi 23 août 2012 à 14:26 -0600, Bob Proulx a écrit : Jon Dowland wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Jon Dowland wrote: linux-3.6-rc2.tar.bz2 78M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.gz 99M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.xz 65M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.lz 66M I think lzip is worthy enough that it

Re: compressor

2012-08-24 Thread Gaël DONVAL
Le vendredi 24 août 2012 à 10:10 +0100, Jon Dowland a écrit : Most compressors work on a block-cipher model in order to support stream operation and so the compressor doesn't have a global view of the data being compressed. At least with 7zip and xz, you can tweak the block size directly

Re: compressor

2012-08-24 Thread Bob Proulx
Gaël DONVAL wrote: Bob Proulx a écrit : There is a problem with the mashing and reformatting. It makes lzip appear to be 66M against xz being 65M and so xz is better, right? But wait the above says that gz is 99M. But ls says 100M. So the listed sizes are not 100% correct. So 66M is

Re: compressor

2012-08-23 Thread Gaël DONVAL
Le mercredi 22 août 2012 à 12:52 -0400, Gary Dale a écrit : I find that .lzma does a pretty good job and isn't too slow. My 2 cents: LZMA/LZMA2 is indeed a good choice if you want best compression: it should work with almost anything (except already compressed streams such as videos, images,

Re: compressor

2012-08-23 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 04:44:38PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Jon Dowland wrote: linux-3.6-rc2.tar.bz2 78M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.gz 99M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.xz 65M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.lz 66M I think lzip is worthy enough that it should have a mention too. It has gotten less

Re: compressor

2012-08-23 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 03:43:24PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:40:36 +0800, lina wrote: Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. Ha, that's like asking what do clouds smell like? :-) Remember to run your chosen compression algorithm at least twice

Re: compressor

2012-08-23 Thread lina
On Thursday 23,August,2012 06:26 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 03:43:24PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:40:36 +0800, lina wrote: Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. Ha, that's like asking what do clouds smell like? :-) Remember to run

Re: compressor

2012-08-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Jon Dowland wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Jon Dowland wrote: linux-3.6-rc2.tar.bz2 78M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.gz 99M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.xz 65M linux-3.6-rc2.tar.lz 66M I think lzip is worthy enough that it should have a mention too. It has gotten less attention than xz and

compressor

2012-08-22 Thread lina
Hi, Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. I got 2T data, basically won't get a chance to use in future, but still need to keep there at least for the next two years just in case. so I tried the xz, but xz not support the directory? or maybe I don't know how to compress

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 21:40 +0800, lina wrote: Hi, Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. I got 2T data, basically won't get a chance to use in future, but still need to keep there at least for the next two years just in case. so I tried the xz, but xz not support

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 15:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 21:40 +0800, lina wrote: Hi, Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. I got 2T data, basically won't get a chance to use in future, but still need to keep there at least for the next two years

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PPS: For my needs tar czf aka .tar.gz is the best way to go. More compression doesn't lead to smaller files, but it takes much more time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Jerome BENOIT
gz: tar zcf bzip2: tar jcf xz: tar Jcf On 22/08/12 16:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PPS: For my needs tar czf aka .tar.gz is the best way to go. More compression doesn't lead to smaller files, but it takes much more time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread lina
On Wednesday 22,August,2012 09:54 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 21:40 +0800, lina wrote: Hi, Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. I got 2T data, basically won't get a chance to use in future, but still need to keep there at least for the next two years just

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread lina
On Wednesday 22,August,2012 10:15 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: gz: tar zcf bzip2: tar jcf xz: tar Jcf So the most efficient one is the .tar.xz one? On 22/08/12 16:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PPS: For my needs tar czf aka .tar.gz is the best way to go. More compression doesn't lead to smaller

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 16:15 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: xz: tar Jcf I'm using a distro that packages with xz. I'm sure that there never was a big difference between gz: tar zcf and bzip2: tar jcf for the length of the files, but the time for packing and unpacking does differ very much. Speaking

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Jerome BENOIT
On 22/08/12 16:24, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 16:15 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: xz: tar Jcf I'm using a distro that packages with xz. I'm sure that there never was a big difference between gz: tar zcf and bzip2: tar jcf for the length of the files, that higly depends on

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 04:24:19PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 16:15 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: xz: tar Jcf I'm using a distro that packages with xz. I'm sure that there never was a big difference between gz: tar zcf and bzip2: tar jcf for the length of the files,

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread lina
On Wednesday 22,August,2012 10:50 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 04:24:19PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 16:15 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: xz: tar Jcf $ tar --version tar (GNU tar) 1.14 no -J options. On desktop it's tar (GNU tar) 1.26 can support the

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:40:36 +0800, lina wrote: Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. Ha, that's like asking what do clouds smell like? :-) I got 2T data, basically won't get a chance to use in future, but still need to keep there at least for the next two years just in case

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread lina
On Wednesday 22,August,2012 11:43 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:40:36 +0800, lina wrote: Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. Ha, that's like asking what do clouds smell like? :-) I got 2T data, basically won't get a chance to use in future, but still need

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Gary Dale
On 22/08/12 12:12 PM, lina wrote: On Wednesday 22,August,2012 11:43 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:40:36 +0800, lina wrote: Basically which compressor is the most efficient one. Ha, that's like asking what do clouds smell like?:-) I got 2T data, basically won't get a chance

Re: compressor

2012-08-22 Thread Bob Proulx
Jon Dowland wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: Jerome BENOIT wrote: xz: tar Jcf I'm using a distro that packages with xz. I'm sure that there never was a big difference between gz: tar zcf and bzip2: tar jcf for the length of the files, but the time for packing and unpacking does