Mentoring. (was Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release))

2013-09-26 Thread Beco
[snip] On 28 November 2012 09:39, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 November 2012 22:31:52 Beco wrote: I would like a mentor during my next vacation, to help me with .deb files. Here is a web-page that explains the scheme. Don't be put off by the mention of women. They

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:13:19 -0300 Beco r...@beco.cc napísal: Ubuntu has probably the same complexity for a developer, but as they are more friendly to novices, they have more contributors. Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done only to 7 % from them

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote: Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu Debian developer - sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do... That's a flawed argument. It

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote: Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu Debian developer - sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do... That's a

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Morel Bérenger
That's an even more flawed argument. We're talking about packaging, not development. Packaging will differ if the maintainer thinks that an optional dep is better than another, or the option is useless etc... So, I think packagers must have some knowledge about the software they maintain. But

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Morel Bérenger wrote: (Personally, I'm suspicious of software and changes that are distribution-specific.) Are you suspicious about the Debian Linux kernel? It have distro specific patches. (But I think and hope that they are reported upstream. Did not checked.) Well, that's why I included

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0500 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal: What that 7% statistic really suggests is some combination of: a. Some of those packages are developed by folks who use Ubuntu, and don't get around to releasing a separate package for Debian (or

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:00:07AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote: Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu Debian developer - sorry i have

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.11.2012 20:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : Morel Bérenger wrote: (Personally, I'm suspicious of software and changes that are distribution-specific.) Are you suspicious about the Debian Linux kernel? It have distro specific patches. (But I think and hope that they are reported upstream.

how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't we? There needs to be a critical mass; but beyond that point, an increase in numbers is not necessarily beneficial. Agreed for 'mere' users, but another

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Beco
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't we? There needs to be a critical mass; but beyond that point, an increase in numbers

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:13 -0300, Beco wrote: Ubuntu has probably the same complexity for a developer, but as they are more friendly to novices, they have more contributors. Ubuntu is tricky for newbies, it does fake to be similar to an iPad or Windows. And there's bizarre cooperation, such as

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 15:13:19 Beco wrote: We would have more contributors if Debian wasn't so proud of being for advanced users. But my experience is that it isn't. People are encouraged to help with developing and all the other jobs that are needed. and can get a mentor to help. Can

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
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