Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

t; > ¹ Even receiving sites that process DMARC sometimes don't carry out > the DMARC author's wishes. As a common example that most of us > will have seen, Mailman mailing lists will often just selectively > rewrite the headers. Yes. Thanks very much. G > > -- > https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

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arantined by the recipient. Thanks,. Andy ¹ Even receiving sites that process DMARC sometimes don't carry out the DMARC author's wishes. As a common example that most of us will have seen, Mailman mailing lists will often just selectively rewrite the headers. -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

On Fri 01/03/2024 at 11:00, Gareth Evans wrote: > This idea seems to relate more to SPF than anything? Or DKIM, indeed, as you say Andy, at least one of which is the authentication component. Documentation could be clearer. Thanks G

Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

On Fri 01/03/2024 at 09:18, Andy Smith wrote: > Just for the record, the Authentication part of DMARC is done with > SPF and/or DKIM; the large mailbox providers actually (since 1 Feb) > require *either* SPF *or* DKIM passes, or both if you are a bulk > sender (thousands of mails per day). > >

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Hi, On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 01:42:07AM +, Gareth Evans wrote: > I have somehow only just discovered that Gmail, Apple and Yahoo > are introducing, or have recently introduced, DMARC requirements > for senders. Just for the record, the Authentication part of DMARC is done with SPF and/or

Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 08:19:42AM +, Michael Grant wrote: > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop > > And the main page > https://www.mailop.org/ Thanks abig bunch! -- tomás signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

ducing, or have recently introduced, DMARC requirements for senders. >> >> See for exmaple >> https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/email-and-cloud-threats/google-and-yahoo-set-new-email-authentication-requirements >> >> Can anyone recommend good mailing lists or other

Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

Am 01.03.2024 schrieb "Gareth Evans" : > I am subscribed to mailop (though don't read it as often as I > should!) but from a mail search there doesn't seem to have been > anything there about this recently. That topic has been discussed there, you can find those discussions in the archive (you

Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

-threats/google-and-yahoo-set-new-email-authentication-requirements > > Can anyone recommend good mailing lists or other resources for people who > look after email servers/services? It takes up little of my work, but an > area of interest. Me too :) ISTR that there was a m

{OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

recommend good mailing lists or other resources for people who look after email servers/services? It takes up little of my work, but an area of interest. I half expected to be able to find mailing lists for postmasters run by the big email service providers, but ddg was bare. Gmail's blog looks more

Re: Banning a user from posting to Debian lists

just checking -- CK

Banning a user from posting to Debian lists

[Also posted to commun...@debian.org / listmas...@lists.debian.org] Subject: Banning of a user from posting to Debian lists === As noted in the monthly FAQ, among the events that can take place on Debian lists as a result of breach

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On Thu, 2023-12-21 at 10:12 -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/21/23 09:46, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:25:26 -0500 > > Pocket wrote: > > > > Hello Pocket, > > > > > Forwarded Message > > Putting a private message on the list, without sender's consent, is > >

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On 21 Dec 2023 09:25 -0500, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > Forwarded Message > Subject: Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 14:15:23 + > From: Andy Smith > Reply-To: a...

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On 12/21/23 09:46, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:25:26 -0500 Pocket wrote: Hello Pocket, Forwarded Message Putting a private message on the list, without sender's consent, is very rude indeed. Given that it was announced by sender beforehand that they would

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:25:26 -0500 Pocket wrote: Hello Pocket, > Forwarded Message Putting a private message on the list, without sender's consent, is very rude indeed. Given that it was announced by sender beforehand that they would reply privately, I'm absolutely certain

Re: Fwd: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

21.12.2023 at 15:25 Pocket: (forwarded direct mail) Stop this. There's still a slight chance that some of the list readers have not yet decided to ignore your mail. Also stop trying to trigger some sort of guilt her. It's not going to work. Cheers, Arno -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann

Fwd: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

Forwarded Message Subject:Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 14:15:23 + From: Andy Smith Reply-To: a...@strugglers.net To: Pocket Hello, [off-list] On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 08:58:28AM -0500, Pocket

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On 12/21/23 09:10, Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: Hi Pocket, On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Pocket wrote: What is your official capacity for debian? This is the mailinglist debian-user, where User help User with their problems. Mainly Desktop-related some server-related. but this is a user (in the

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

Hello all, I did see the request from Andy Cater to bring this thread to a close so I am only going to answer the below questions off-list and do my part to not prolong this. Hopefully you didn't feel that you missed anything.  Thanks, Andy On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 08:58:28AM -0500, Pocket

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On 12/21/23 08:49, Andy Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:35:44AM -0500, Pocket wrote: On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: Maybe I should not post at all? Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I for

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:35:44AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > Maybe I should not post at all? > > Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I > > for one am in favour of. > >

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

I > > for one am in favour of. > > > > Andy > > > So I see that I am not welcome here. > Hellow Pocket, Gmane is good to reading emails of mailing lists like as debian-user@l.d.o. Also if you want to post someting, you can do that via Gmane. For now i am reading emails by

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: Maybe I should not post at all? Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I for one am in favour of. Andy So I see that I am not welcome here. Ok fine, I will take my leave

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Maybe I should not post at all? Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I for one am in favour of. Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2023, at 5:37 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 06:57:50PM -0500, Pocket wrote: >> > > Could we please stop the thread now? You appear to be talking past each > other at this point. Various suggestions as to the nature of the problem >

Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 06:57:50PM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Could we please stop the thread now? You appear to be talking past each other at this point. Various suggestions as to the nature of the problem and possible solutions have been put forward - it is absolutely for you to choose whatever

Re: wireless broadband providers exist (was: lists)

Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high > speed internet in the area I reside in. > > No other providers are allowed. That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of us mericans who

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 18:41, John Hasler wrote: pocket writes: I never implied that, only that the ISP services are spectrum only in the area I live. No Starlik? In any case what ISP you use is unrelated to what email provider you use. I use pobox.com, but there are others. No starlink I have

Re: lists

pocket writes: > I never implied that, only that the ISP services are spectrum only in the > area I live. No Starlik? In any case what ISP you use is unrelated to what email provider you use. I use pobox.com, but there are others. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 17:59, gene heskett wrote: On 12/20/23 14:14, Marco Moock wrote: Am 20.12.2023 um 14:04:41 Uhr schrieb Pocket: I have emails from other lists and personal email from other with the same time frame So in this case it was not because the email box/account was not available

Re: lists

On 21/12/23 11:55, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 17:37, gene heskett wrote: On 12/20/23 12:05, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 11:51, gene heskett wrote: On 12/20/23 08:30, Pocket wrote: If I get one bounce email I am banned, I will never get to even 10% as 2% and I am gone. That may be a side

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 14:14, Marco Moock wrote: Am 20.12.2023 um 14:04:41 Uhr schrieb Pocket: I have emails from other lists and personal email from other with the same time frame So in this case it was not because the email box/account was not available. Are you really that thick as a brick that you

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 17:37, gene heskett wrote: On 12/20/23 12:05, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 11:51, gene heskett wrote: On 12/20/23 08:30, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: which poc...@columbus.rr.com Not sure what

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 12:05, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 11:51, gene heskett wrote: On 12/20/23 08:30, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: which poc...@columbus.rr.com Not sure what you're trying to achieve but these

Re: lists

Nobady is interested in you pointing that out >>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 2:14 PM, Marco Moock wrote: >>> >>> Am 20.12.2023 um 14:04:41 Uhr schrieb Pocket: >>> >>>> I have emails from other lists and personal email from other with >>>

Re: lists

Pocket: > > > >> I have emails from other lists and personal email from other with > >> the same time frame > >> > >> So in this case it was not because the email box/account was not > >> available. > > > > Are you really that t

Re: lists

Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 20, 2023, at 2:14 PM, Marco Moock wrote: > > Am 20.12.2023 um 14:04:41 Uhr schrieb Pocket: > >> I have emails from other lists and personal email from other with the >> same time frame >> >> So in this case it w

Re: lists

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 2:14 PM Marco Moock wrote: > > Am 20.12.2023 um 14:04:41 Uhr schrieb Pocket: > > > [...] > > And could that be the reason to multiple sessions were opened from > > debian list servers? > > No, the reason is that SMTP doesn't specify that only a special > amount of

Re: lists

Am 20.12.2023 um 14:04:41 Uhr schrieb Pocket: > I have emails from other lists and personal email from other with the > same time frame > > So in this case it was not because the email box/account was not > available. Are you really that thick as a brick that you d

Re: lists

to you. that is what you were told. I have emails from other lists and personal email from other with the same time frame So in this case it was not because the email box/account was not available. That only leaves the number of sessions that were opened. How many sessions were opened

Re: lists

On 20 Dec 2023 12:00 -0500, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > The SMTP server on bendel.debian.org should have resent?  No? In one word: No. Because the mail in question was rejected by the recipient MTA (pkvw-mx.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net) with a PERMANENT error. This is clearly shown in

Re: lists

from all debian lists? -- Hindi madali ang maging ako

Re: lists

Pocket (12023-12-20): > Ok I will twist their arms and complain to the cops or maybe I should > comtact the DOJ, This kind of sarcasm is not constructive. You send a mail or open a ticket. If they do not fix the issue and do not give a good explanation, you take your mail archives and you move

Re: lists

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 12:05:26PM -0500, Pocket wrote: > I was kicked at 2% How do you *know*? What you *know* is that you *saw* *one* email message stating that emails have been trouble reaching you, and that if this continues, you will be unsubscribed. What if there were more, that you did

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 11:48, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:40:38AM -0500, Pocket wrote: [...] Still doesn't provide and answer for why I was kicked after one email bounced. You have seen just one bounce. Do you know your provider has shown you all of them? Perhaps they bounced

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 11:51, gene heskett wrote: On 12/20/23 08:30, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: which poc...@columbus.rr.com Not sure what you're trying to achieve but these administrative commands should go to the

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 11:51, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:44:42AM -0500, Pocket wrote: Does one email constitute "persistently undeliverable"? I hope that the Debian listmasters get back to you with more details, but I interpret Spectrum's reject message to mean that all mails

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 08:30, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: which poc...@columbus.rr.com Not sure what you're trying to achieve but these administrative commands should go to the mailing list software at , not to

Re: lists

Am 20.12.2023 um 16:49:17 Uhr schrieb Joe: > I'm not actually looking for an ident reply, I'm looking to hold up > the transaction for thirty seconds to weed out the spambots. This is a > convenient way to do it. sendmail offers the FEATURE GreetPause for exactly that behavior - without using

Re: lists

Hello, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:44:42AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Does one email constitute "persistently undeliverable"? I hope that the Debian listmasters get back to you with more details, but I interpret Spectrum's reject message to mean that all mails from Debian's IP from that time forward

Re: lists

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 17:14:05 +0100 Marco Moock wrote: > Am 20.12.2023 um 15:58:48 Uhr schrieb Joe: > > > For many years my SMTP server has requested an ident (TCP port 113) > > from outside sending servers. Since nobody now runs ident servers, > > there will be no reply, and my server waits for

Re: lists

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:40:38AM -0500, Pocket wrote: [...] > Still doesn't provide and answer for why I was kicked after one email > bounced. You have seen just one bounce. Do you know your provider has shown you all of them? Perhaps they bounced the other missing ones... Cheers -- t

Re: lists

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:44:42AM -0500, Pocket wrote: [...] > Does one email constitute "persistently undeliverable"? If *your* provider says so... Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: lists

Am 20.12.2023 um 11:44:42 Uhr schrieb Pocket: > Does one email constitute "persistently undeliverable"? 5xx error indicate that, read the SMTP RFCs.

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 11:42, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:30:24AM -0500, Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 11:26,to...@tuxteam.de wrote: And yes, yell to your provider. Everyone and her dog coming up with random policies is what's killing email. I am sure the will be quaking in their

Re: lists

Hello, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:30:24AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > On 12/20/23 11:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > And yes, yell to your provider. Everyone and her dog coming > > up with random policies is what's killing email. > > I am sure the will be quaking in their boots if I call them to

Re: lists

that will get it fixed We are just trying to help you with the strange policies of your email provider that make it hard for you to participate in Internet mailing lists. It's not our fault and if you are going to go from bombarding us with pointless admin commands to snarky responses then why should

Re: lists

ain to the cops or maybe I should > comtact the DOJ, > > maybe that will get it fixed We are just trying to help you with the strange policies of your email provider that make it hard for you to participate in Internet mailing lists. It's not our fault and if you are going to go from

Re: lists

Am 20.12.2023 um 11:30:24 Uhr schrieb Pocket: > On 12/20/23 11:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:16:02AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> Why is the user list the only one that has this issue? > > It is the busiest list, thus the bounce probability might >

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 11:31, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:07:16AM -0500, Pocket wrote: Spectrum limits the number of concurrent connections from a sender, as well as the total number of connections allowed. Limits vary based on the reputation of the IP address. Reduce your

Re: lists

Hello, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:07:16AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Spectrum limits the number of concurrent connections from a sender, as well > as the total number of connections allowed. Limits vary based on the > reputation of the IP address. Reduce your number of connections and try > again

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 11:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:16:02AM -0500, Pocket wrote: [...] Why is the user list the only one that has this issue? It is the busiest list, thus the bounce probability might be the highest. And yes, yell to your provider. Everyone and her dog

Re: lists

Am 20.12.2023 um 17:26:25 Uhr schrieb Thomas Schmitt: > A while ago this list had a problem with fake bounces. A troll managed > to convince the list server that some of the subscribers would reject > the list mails. I am not familiar with the exact technical properties > of that attack and how

Re: lists

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 05:14:05PM +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > Am 20.12.2023 um 15:58:48 Uhr schrieb Joe: > > > For many years my SMTP server has requested an ident (TCP port 113) > > from outside sending servers. Since nobody now runs ident servers, > > there will be no reply, and my server

Re: lists

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:16:02AM -0500, Pocket wrote: [...] > Why is the user list the only one that has this issue? It is the busiest list, thus the bounce probability might be the highest. And yes, yell to your provider. Everyone and her dog coming up with random policies is what's killing

Re: lists

Hi, (Cc-ing poc...@columbus.rr.com just in case the unsubscription strikes again.) Pocket wrote: > I spend several days trying to subscribed to the list, with the web signup > ALWAYS time out with a gateway error. The mails from the list have these informational headers: List-Subscribe:

Re: lists

and try again later. You can't fix that until you make your mail provider change those policies. Ok I will twist their arms and complain to the cops or maybe I should comtact the DOJ, maybe that will get it fixed The operator of the sending MTA for the Debian lists can limit the amount

Re: lists

Am 20.12.2023 um 15:58:48 Uhr schrieb Joe: > For many years my SMTP server has requested an ident (TCP port 113) > from outside sending servers. Since nobody now runs ident servers, > there will be no reply, and my server waits for a timeout of thirty > seconds before continuing. Good admins

Re: lists

. You can't fix that until you make your mail provider change those policies. The operator of the sending MTA for the Debian lists can limit the amount of connections to spectrum, talk to the postmasters there if you think the might implement that.

Re: lists

red. In Pocket's case, they say they are actually being automatically unsubscribed from the list. That indicates a severe and ongoing problem with their mail delivery. If I were them I'd want to look into it. Thanks, Andy I am looking into it, The other debian mail lists I subscrie to are not and

Re: lists

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:08:54 +0100 Marco Moock wrote: Hello Marco, >He can read that list via Usenet because it is gatewayed to it Thank you; I'm aware there are several ways to read the messages. I was merely pointing out the (perhaps) obvious. -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is

Re: lists

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:11:05 +0100 Christoph Brinkhaus wrote: > > I have heard that there is a countermeasure against spam run be big > mail providers by rejecting the first contact by SMTP and accepting > the next contact. Most spammers seem to try just once. > > I am not sure if this is

Re: lists

Hello, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:43:04AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > On 12/20/23 10:35, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > For the gateway errors and majordomo delays, you should probably > > contact . Also see > > . > > That goes without any response, I can not tell if the

Re: lists

kicked and no longer receive anything from the user list. > >> > >> After many attempts over several days... > >> > >> I finally get email from majord...@lists.debian.org that tells me this > >> > >

Re: lists

Hello, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 04:11:05PM +0100, Christoph Brinkhaus wrote: > I have heard that there is a countermeasure against spam run be big mail > providers by rejecting the first contact by SMTP and accepting the next > contact. Most spammers seem to try just once. I think you are talking

Re: lists

On 20 Dec 2023 16:14 +0100, from m...@dorfdsl.de (Marco Moock): >> I have heard that there is a countermeasure against spam run be big >> mail providers by rejecting the first contact by SMTP and accepting >> the next contact. Most spammers seem to try just once. > > Do they reject with 5xx or

Re: lists

from majord...@lists.debian.org that tells me this You are subscribed to the following lists: ListAddress === debian-arm poc...@columbus.rr.com debian-security-announce poc...@columbus.rr.com I spend

Re: lists

nally get email from majord...@lists.debian.org that tells me this > > You are subscribed to the following lists: > > ListAddress > === > debian-arm poc...@columbus.rr.com > debian-security-announce poc...

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me this You are subscribed to the following lists: List                    Address                    === debian-arm                 poc...@columbus.rr.com debian-security-announce poc...@columbus.rr.com I spend several days trying to subscribed to the list

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Am Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 04:14:57PM +0100 schrieb Marco Moock: > Am 20.12.2023 um 16:11:05 Uhr schrieb Christoph Brinkhaus: > > > I have heard that there is a countermeasure against spam run be big > > mail providers by rejecting the first contact by SMTP and accepting > > the next contact. Most

Re: lists

Am 20.12.2023 um 16:11:05 Uhr schrieb Christoph Brinkhaus: > I have heard that there is a countermeasure against spam run be big > mail providers by rejecting the first contact by SMTP and accepting > the next contact. Most spammers seem to try just once. Do they reject with 5xx or 4xx?

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Am Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 08:13:12AM -0500 schrieb Pocket: > > On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: [...] > Every 60 days I get kicked from this list which I receive an email stating > my kick value is 2%. I receive this mails, too. The first impression is scary, but in the body there is an

Re: lists

Am 20.12.2023 um 13:39:04 Uhr schrieb Brad Rogers: > You don't need to be subbed to post to the list. Of course, you won't > receive any posts from the list. He can read that list via Usenet because it is gatewayed to it, nobody will block the messages there.

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On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:13:12 -0500 Pocket wrote: Hello Pocket, >Every 60 days I get kicked from this list which I receive an email >stating my kick value is 2%. Sounds as though something is rejecting posts at your mail provider. Hence you get kicked. You don't need to be subbed to post to

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y unsubscribe you if it receives bounces when sending you email. There is not really anything that us subscribers to the lists can do to help with this sort of thing. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: lists

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 08:13:12AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > which poc...@columbus.rr.com > > Not sure what you're trying to achieve but these administrative > > commands should go

Re: lists

On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: which poc...@columbus.rr.com Not sure what you're trying to achieve but these administrative commands should go to the mailing list software at , not to debian-user@, which is the list itself

Re: lists

Hi, On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > which poc...@columbus.rr.com Not sure what you're trying to achieve but these administrative commands should go to the mailing list software at , not to debian-user@, which is the list itself and its thousands of subscribers. (A pity

lists

which poc...@columbus.rr.com -- Hindi madali ang maging ako

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

> we can reconstruct it (or something close enough) from other sources, > which means that it doesn't have to be included in backups and it can > be deleted if it strikes your fancy (typically when you're in urgent need > of a tiny bit more disk space). [...] Most probably you a

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

> I would imagine that it's due to the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) > which defines what the various directories on a "typical Linux system" are > for. "man hier", for example, tells me that: > > * /var/cache - Data cached for programs. > > * /var/lib - Variable state information for

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

On 16/12/2023 15:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from repositories, which APT will re-fetch if missing. So, it sounds to me like it belongs in `/var/cache/apt/lists`, really. What am I missing? Or is it just a historical accident

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

DB in `/var/cache/locate/`, apparently, OTOH. ] Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions. From what I can tell, there is no strong reason to put the lists in `/var/lib` rather than `/var/cache`. I suspect this is mostly a historical accident (at some point, erasing `/var/lib/apt/lists` cau

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

On Sun 17 Dec 2023 at 15:33:30 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> That seems similar to things like `locate` failing if you remove > >> `/var/log/plocate/plocate.db` (until that DB is rebuilt). > > > > It's tricky to discern your point as /var/log/ is not involved. > > That was a typo. it's

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

>> That seems similar to things like `locate` failing if you remove >> `/var/log/plocate/plocate.db` (until that DB is rebuilt). > > It's tricky to discern your point as /var/log/ is not involved. That was a typo. it's `/var/cache/plocate/plocate.db`, sorry. Stefan

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

not really whether "apt/lists" is similar to > "apt/archives", but whether the content of "apt/lists" is appropriate > for `/var/cache`. I didn't bring up apt/archives, but my first words posted were: "This may not answer your question". > AFAIK n

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

> Some packages will stay the same for years, but in the past week > I can see four occasions when changes in list contents have occurred > on oldstable. So there's little similarity. The question is not really whether "apt/lists" is similar to "apt/archives", bu

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

On Sat 16 Dec 2023 at 12:50:51 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > David Wright [2023-12-16 11:30:01] wrote: > > On Sat 16 Dec 2023 at 10:59:48 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from > >> repositories, which A

Re: Why is /var/lib/apt/lists not in /var/cache?

Max Nikulin [2023-12-17 09:10:29] wrote: > On 16/12/2023 22:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> AFAICT, all of `/var/lib/apt/lists` is made of files fetched from >> repositories, which APT will re-fetch if missing. >> So, it sounds to me like it belongs in `/var/cache/apt/lists`,

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