Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:35:11AM -0400, Tom H wrote: Stop in stop job isn't an adjective, it's a noun (or an attributive noun) just like office in office chair. Or it could be a verb, as in a command Stop

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-16 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140814_1035-0400, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In English, both 'stop job' and 'stopped job' are an adjective modifying a noun. The noun in both cases is 'job'. 'stop job' is a noun phrase expressing a type of job, and

RE: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a That would definitely be clearer. I was interpreting it as some special systemd shutdown-ey thing which runs around trying to stop things, and

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:35:11AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In English, both 'stop job' and 'stopped job' are an adjective modifying a noun. The noun in both cases is 'job'. 'stop job' is a noun phrase expressing

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Bonno Bloksma wrote: I wonder if the people developing this are paying attention to a development in de Windows environment where the latest thing is that de service can report back that it is indeed still trying to stop and not just hung and not reporting back. Windows

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/15/14, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Bonno Bloksma wrote: I wonder if the people developing this are paying attention to a development in de Windows environment where the latest thing is that de service can report back that it is indeed still

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:19:48 + Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote: I wonder if the people developing this are paying attention to a development in de Windows environment where the latest thing is that de service can report back that it is indeed still trying to stop and not just hung

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 09:38:14AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Some processes don't work well together, and systemd can maintain a database of such processes, perhaps in Postgres, to prevent one of those processes from running if the other is already running, unless the processes themselves tell

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Erwan David
Le 12/08/2014 17:48, Michael Biebl a écrit : Am 12.08.2014 17:16, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: Right. Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd. Well, yeah. halt is not supposed to power off your system. But that is most likely not the issue Zenaan is having SAme thing wirh stop

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Erwan David wrote: Right. Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd. The halt/reboot/poweroff binary shipped from sysvinit source will request a direct power-off, halt or reboot to the kernel. Just give it the -f option. And don't complain if this causes data

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: Bonno Bloksma: I wonder if the people developing this are paying attention to a development in de Windows environment where the latest thing is that de service can report back that it is indeed still trying to stop and not just hung

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-15 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 02:12:48 +1200 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: You mean systemd should shoulder some of the kernel's work? A database of conflicting processes is a half-measure. Moreover, an existing implementation of RDBMS older than systemd such as Postgres is

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/14/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I should stop. I really have very little firm knowledge of systemd, just opinions that make sense to me. (tm) That's TM for YOU son! It's formal english thank you very much. and (tm) is a very sloppy rendition!! I don't know that we can

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:03:31PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/14/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I should stop. I really have very little firm knowledge of systemd, just opinions that make sense to me. (tm) That's TM for YOU son! It's formal english thank you

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/14/14, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:03:31PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/14/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I should stop. I really have very little firm knowledge of systemd, just opinions that make sense to me. (tm)

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread saint
Zenaan Harkness writes: ChrisBanalGrammatistica, Grammatistica? Which language does this word belong to? Ancient Debianese, possibly pre-Vax era? -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In English, both 'stop job' and 'stopped job' are an adjective modifying a noun. The noun in both cases is 'job'. 'stop job' is a noun phrase expressing a type of job, and must be some kind of geeky usage. OTOH,

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Iain M Conochie
On 12/08/14 22:23, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 12 August 2014 17:53:19 Martin Steigerwald wrote: But if the english meaning of the words give exact this difference, so well. In my understanding there never was much of a difference between halt and poweroff. I'm not quite clear what you are

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/14/2014 10:35 AM, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In English, both 'stop job' and 'stopped job' are an adjective modifying a noun. The noun in both cases is 'job'. 'stop job'

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Curt
On 2014-08-14, Iain M Conochie i...@thargoid.co.uk wrote: Yet this is exactly what my 2 year old car does now. I halt at the lights and the engine powers off. Is this a bug? Depends. Given enough usage, a bug can become a feature. Some clever folks turn bugs into features, I reckon:

Grammatisticality: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:14:09 +0200 sa...@eng.it wrote: Zenaan Harkness writes: ChrisBanalGrammatistica, Grammatistica? Which language does this word belong to? Ancient Debianese, possibly pre-Vax era? At this point, mightn't it be good to change the subject, just in case the original

Re: Grammatisticality: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/15/14, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:14:09 +0200 sa...@eng.it wrote: Zenaan Harkness writes: ChrisBanalGrammatistica, Grammatistica? Which language does this word belong to? Ancient Debianese, possibly pre-Vax era? At this point, mightn't it be

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-13 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a bug in the script that fails to evaluate the variable USER and therefore

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-13 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:15:22AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/13/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a That would definitely be

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-13 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140813_1033+0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:15:22AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/13/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'.

systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message is: A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left edge in an ascii wait

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.08.2014 16:50, schrieb Zenaan Harkness: Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message is: A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me Red asterisks (up

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Zenaan Harkness wrote: Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message is: A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:50:31 +1000 Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left edge in an ascii wait for me animation. You're a lucky guy: I don't have even one asterisk (only a white underscore and a blinking cursor - on a laptop). But I'm not

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.08.2014 17:16, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: Right. Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd. Well, yeah. halt is not supposed to power off your system. But that is most likely not the issue Zenaan is having -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:16:27AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Zenaan Harkness wrote: Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message is: A stop job is running

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Javier Barroso
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: Zenaan Harkness wrote: Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message is: A stop job is

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 12. August 2014, 17:48:10 schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 12.08.2014 17:16, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: Right. Debian Sid. 'halt' does not poweroff with systemd. Well, yeah. halt is not supposed to power off your system. Interestingly in the last ten years I have used halt exactly to

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message is: A stop job is running for Session 2 of

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Paul E Condon
I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a bug in the script that fails to evaluate the variable USER and therefore fails to print the name of the user (aka. owner) of the stopped job in Session 2. Did

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2014-08-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 12 aug 14, 12:51:12, Paul E Condon wrote: I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a ... In a better formulated message, there should be a comma ',' between 'user' and '$USER'. Thus if the

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 17:53:19 Martin Steigerwald wrote: But if the english meaning of the words give exact this difference, so well. In my understanding there never was much of a difference between halt and poweroff. I'm not quite clear what you are saying, but if you are saying that

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/13/14, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/13/14, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: The last message is: A stop job is running for Session 2 of user me Red asterisks (up to 3) appear to oscillate at left edge in an ascii wait for me animation. eye of cylon (thanks to who mentioned that) Have you waited at least 90 secs,

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/13/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a That would definitely be clearer. I was interpreting it as some special systemd shutdown-ey thing