On 2015-03-10, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/10/2015 04:53 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 10 March 2015 03:53:29 Sivaram Neelakantan wrote:
all I want is the One True Directive(TM)
Ubuntu?? ;-)
Sorry, Sivaram. But this is Debian. People don't usually use Debian
if they
Brian wrote:
But what do we think about this as a procedure? [1]
apt-get update
apt-get -y upgrade
aptitude -y upgrade
apt-get -y dist-upgrade
aptitude -y dist-upgrade
apt-get -y autoremove
I first see that and it shocks me somewhat. I didn't understand why
there would be a
On 03/04/2015 09:33 PM, Ken Heard wrote:
In the next month or so I will have to do a clean OS installation in
two desktops. Jessie is now frozen (Debian's contribution to retarding
global warming?); and there are apparently fewer RC bugs at this point
after the freeze than there were at the
On 03/10/2015 08:52 AM, Ken Heard wrote:
I just want a tidy ship and all I want is the One True
Directive(TM).
Is such a thing possible it IT?
This is not, but there no one true.
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On Tuesday 10 March 2015 03:53:29 Sivaram Neelakantan wrote:
all I want is the One True Directive(TM)
Ubuntu?? ;-)
Sorry, Sivaram. But this is Debian. People don't usually use Debian if they
want the One True Directive! We all have different opinions. A lot depends
on which version you
On 03/10/2015 04:53 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 10 March 2015 03:53:29 Sivaram Neelakantan wrote:
all I want is the One True Directive(TM)
Ubuntu?? ;-)
Sorry, Sivaram. But this is Debian. People don't usually use Debian if they
want the One True Directive! We all have different
On Sun 08 Mar 2015 at 00:58:29 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
Brian wrote:
The Wheezy point releases have no BIND9 updates so, without searching
further, I am unable to check that new libraries were installed. Even
if they were they would be from stable, which is ok.
This was a recent BIND9
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On 2015-03-10 10:53, Sivaram Neelakantan wrote:
As someone who is a deb newbie following these posts, can the
gurus make up their collective minds and let forth the mantra
invocation that I need to invoke? ;)
I just want a tidy ship and all I
On Mon, Mar 09 2015,Brian wrote:
On Sun 08 Mar 2015 at 00:58:29 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
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But what do we think about this as a procedure? [1]
apt-get update
apt-get -y upgrade
aptitude -y upgrade
apt-get -y dist-upgrade
aptitude -y dist-upgrade
apt-get -y
Brian wrote:
The Wheezy point releases have no BIND9 updates so, without searching
further, I am unable to check that new libraries were installed. Even
if they were they would be from stable, which is ok.
This was a recent BIND9 upgrade in Wheezy on 18 Feb 2015.
On Sat 07 Mar 2015 at 09:14:31 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Well, yes and no.
-- Yes: Typical desktop operating systems (e.g., Windows, Mac OS),
and applications, call home periodically to check for updates,
Debian doesn't work like that unless it is configured to do so.
but,
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On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 18:26:46 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
Brian wrote:
Patrick Bartek wrote:
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of upgrade (or the
equivalent with aptitude, if you use that). Things change quickly and
sometimes majorly on the path to Stable. You'll want
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now
Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie
RC1 is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:26:46 -0700
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
On a Sid Unstable system there are a lot of transitions. Running
dist-upgrade only mostly works but sometimes the transitions and other
noise confuse APT and it wants to take a different path than we want
it to take.
Brian wrote:
On Sat 07 Mar 2015 at 09:14:31 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Well, yes and no.
-- Yes: Typical desktop operating systems (e.g., Windows, Mac OS),
and applications, call home periodically to check for updates,
Debian doesn't work like that unless it is configured to do so.
Quoting Miles Fidelman (mfidel...@meetinghouse.net) in a previous posting:
I think the question was quite clear as to meaning - the OP asked is
Jessie (i.e., Debian stable), stable (in the plain English use of the
word) enough for general use. Not confusing at all.
Jessie is not Debian
On Friday 06 March 2015 15:22:21 Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie
RC1 is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade,
Brian wrote:
Patrick Bartek wrote:
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of upgrade (or the
equivalent with aptitude, if you use that). Things change quickly and
sometimes majorly on the path to Stable. You'll want to get ALL those
changes -- minor and major. Upgrade won't do
On Friday 06 March 2015 23:15:12 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 06 March 2015 15:22:21 Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie
Shouldn't rush. My typing is lousy. Herewith again:
On Friday 06 March 2015 23:15:12 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 06 March 2015 15:22:21 Miles Fidelman wrote:
Somehow, anything that needs daily updates, or upgrades, does not meet
any definition of stable that I'm familiar with.
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
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Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie RC1
is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of upgrade (or the
equivalent with aptitude, if you use that). Things change
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie RC1
is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of upgrade (or the
equivalent with aptitude, if you use that).
Le 06/03/2015 21:22, Miles Fidelman a écrit :
Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie RC1
is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of
Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie RC1
is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of upgrade (or the
equivalent with aptitude, if you
On Friday 06 March 2015 20:11:52 Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie RC1
is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of upgrade (or
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie
RC1 is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Brian wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 at 09:27:23 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie
RC1 is it.
FYI: Do daily updates using dist-upgrade, instead of upgrade (or the
On 03/05/2015 12:33 AM, Ken Heard wrote:
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In the next month or so I will have to do a clean OS installation in
two desktops. Jessie is now frozen (Debian's contribution to retarding
global warming?); and there are apparently fewer RC bugs at this
Adding my noise; It was simple for a newbie like me; I did an
upgrade and a fresh install and both were uneventful activities. It
simply works.
Adding some noise too. I did a new installation of Jessie on a Lenovo
T440s about a month ago and immediately afterwards upgraded my desktop
system
On Thursday 05 March 2015 19:43:35 Ric Moore wrote:
It's probably more
solid than it's Ubuntu counterpart. Ric
Correction: it's CERTAINLY more solid than its Ubuntu counterpart. ;-)
Lisi
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On Thu, 2015-03-05 at 22:34 +0100, Eugen Wintersberger wrote:
Adding my noise; It was simple for a newbie like me; I did an
upgrade and a fresh install and both were uneventful activities. It
simply works.
Adding some noise too. I did a new installation of Jessie on a Lenovo
T440s
On Thu, Mar 05 2015,Lisi Reisz wrote:
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A few weeks ago I used the Jessie RC1 Installer, the day after it was
released. I loved it. It was IMHO nicer than the Wheezy one, easier to use
for what I wanted it for (I did not want to install Gnome, but it looked as
though it
On Thursday 05 March 2015 07:17:25 Bob Proulx wrote:
Having said that you might just want to go ahead and test the new
Jessie installer. Can't hurt. It will either work (install
successfully) or it won't. Either way you will have learned something
and can plan for it. If it fails then
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Thanks everybody for the collected wisdom. So for me now Jessie RC1
is it.
Regards, Ken
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On Fri, Mar 06 2015,Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 05 March 2015 19:43:35 Ric Moore wrote:
It's probably more
solid than it's Ubuntu counterpart. Ric
Correction: it's CERTAINLY more solid than its Ubuntu counterpart. ;-)
Thus starts the flame wars. :)
sivaram
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Ken Heard wrote:
I see that RC1 of Jessie is now available. I would consequently
appreciate opinions as to whether Jessie is now or will be by mid
April sufficiently stable for such installations, or should I install
Wheezy instead and upgrade to Jessie when it is officially declared
stable?
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In the next month or so I will have to do a clean OS installation in
two desktops. Jessie is now frozen (Debian's contribution to retarding
global warming?); and there are apparently fewer RC bugs at this point
after the freeze than there were at the
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 12:33:05PM +0700, Ken Heard wrote:
I would much prefer the one step approach -- install Jessie within
two months and live with non RC bugs for a while -- to the two
step approach -- Wheezy now and upgrade to Jessie six months later
more or less.
What's inherently
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, Ken Heard wrote:
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In the next month or so I will have to do a clean OS installation in
two desktops. Jessie is now frozen (Debian's contribution to retarding
global warming?); and there are apparently fewer RC bugs at this
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