Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit : Russ Allbery writes (Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian): As a TC member, I dislike the supermajority requirement for the project to overturn a TC decision by GR, particularly in this case. I think we would all

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 03:56:29PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I don't think our constitution allows a resolution of the TC to change how §4.1.4 has to be interpreted for a GR overriding it[0]. It would certainly need to be checked with the secretary (CC'ed, just in case). That

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Neil McGovern writes (Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian): That would certainly seem to be the case, but it would be illogical for a group who is happy to be overridden with a lower requirement to be prevented from doing so! Quite. I think it's perfectly possible for a TC

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Neil McGovern writes (Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian): On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 05:11:17PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Ian - any thoughts on if your tech-ctte constitution GR could address this? You mean my TC resolution draft. Nope, I meant your supermajorty etc

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit : I agree. I think that would be quite bad. We could explicitly state in our TC resolution that the TC decision can be vacated by General Resolution on a simple majority. I don't think

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 09:21:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit : I agree. I think that would be quite bad. We could explicitly state in our TC resolution that the TC decision can be

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 05:11:17PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Ian - any thoughts on if your tech-ctte constitution GR could address this? You mean my TC resolution draft. Nope, I meant your supermajorty etc draft. Snipping the rest, as that seems to be something for tech-ctte, rather than

[Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Guillem Jover
[ M-F-T and Reply-To set to debian-vote@l.d.o. ] Hi! This is the revised draft GR proposal (please see below); I'm looking for sponsors now. On Sun, 2014-01-19 at 01:01:44 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: I think that forcing a decision through the TC at this time was very premature and

Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
I'd like to raise the objection that the TC hasn't done their job yet, and while the TC has done a great job of getting *true* technically grounded facts out yet, we've not let the process work. Let the TC do their work. They're coming up on a vote, and they may even suggest a GR. This GR is

Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org writes: ,--- DRAFT GR TEXT --- A General Resolution to select the default init system for Debian. Option A [...] Option H If people want to have a GR on the init system, could we please not entangle two issues in a single vote: 1. Default init system

Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 01/27/2014 08:39 PM, Guillem Jover wrote: This is the revised draft GR proposal (please see below); I'm looking for sponsors now. please stop wasting people's time and let the TC do their work instead. Thanks. - -- Bernd Zeimetz

Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Jakub Wilk
Very much NOT seconded. I have way more interesting things to do than becoming an init system expert; and I would have to become one to be able to vote honestly in this GR. -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 08:39:52PM +0100, Guillem Jover a écrit : This is the revised draft GR proposal (please see below); I'm looking for sponsors now. Hi Guillem, if the result of the current TC vote is « further discussion », then I will second your GR. In the meantime, it is probably