Re: ConsoleKit has been forked

2014-11-03 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 03:18:25PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: That's a nice step. Now we just need someone to maintain the consolekit codepaths in all the desktop environments, in policykit and in other users. It's being maintained by XFCE until the systemd API's are good enough in

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. This seems to have stalled and I'm disappointed to see that because I think this is an important issue. My recommendation is that you propose a resolution based on the comments you received. If a resolution isn't proposed within a week or so and there isn't some nontrivial ongoing

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Sam, On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 07:00:46PM +, Sam Hartman wrote: This seems to have stalled and I'm disappointed to see that because I think this is an important issue. My recommendation is that you propose a resolution based on the comments you received. nontrivial ongoing

Re: `systemd --system` as a viable way out of the systemd debate?

2014-11-03 Thread Gerrit Pape
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 06:58:10AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Aigars Mahinovs wrote: On 28 October 2014 12:12, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:30:50AM +0100, Richard Hartmann wrote: Has anyone actually tested the viability of running systemd in

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-11-03, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: I'm really kind of frustrated and disappointed reading your message, and I expect it's just a side effect of some wording choice here. It sounds like what you're saying is that the TC has decided to defer the discussions of TC term limits,

Last minute discussion

2014-11-03 Thread Saul Goode
I apologize for the lateness of this posting. I was under the impression that the announcement page (https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003) would be updated to reflect when the discussion period had commenced. There has been a bit of talk during this discussion about Debian being a

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Sam Hartman
Sune == Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes: Sune I read the logs from the tech-ctte meeting, and my impression Sune was that - people in tech-ctte thinks that maximum terms are a Sune good idea - that they should push the thing forward (if no one Sune else does) - but they

Re: Last minute discussion

2014-11-03 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. thanks for your input. For myself, I definitely appreciate the contributions of all the parties you mentioned, and appreciate your reminder that Debian is a very large community. One important category you didn't mention is all our wonderful upstreams who have given us this great software to

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Julien Cristau
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 19:41:16 +, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi Sam, On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 07:00:46PM +, Sam Hartman wrote: This seems to have stalled and I'm disappointed to see that because I think this is an important issue. My recommendation is that you propose a resolution

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org writes: This was discussed at the last tech-ctte irc meeting, and it was agreed to defer this until the current GR has quietened down. See http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2014/debian-ctte.2014-10-30-17.00.log.html I think we were only deferring pushing it

Re: `systemd --system` as a viable way out of the systemd debate?

2014-11-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Gerrit Pape p...@dbnbgs.smarden.org writes: What is the reason that one can't easily run logind, or even better a systemd process running logind and possibly other services, under the runsv program from the runit init scheme, or through /etc/inittab? I believe it's that logind relies on the

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014, Sam Hartman wrote: A TC meeting is a meeting where only the TC members are speaking. That's not really the right forum for such a decision to be taken. Just to echo Russ's comments, all that we really discussed was that as the CTTE, we weren't going to press forward for

Re: `systemd --system` as a viable way out of the systemd debate?

2014-11-03 Thread Josh Triplett
Russ Allbery wrote: Gerrit Pape p...@dbnbgs.smarden.org writes: What is the reason that one can't easily run logind, or even better a systemd process running logind and possibly other services, under the runsv program from the runit init scheme, or through /etc/inittab? I believe it's

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-11-03 Thread spoofy
I agree with the proposal.

Re: Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-11-03 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: Distribution packages have been almost all converted to systemd services, with a handful of less-used-packages remaining [1]. Jóhann B Guðmundsson, the erstwhile feature owner for Fedora's System 5 rc to systemd units conversion project, states that the

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Sam Hartman
Don == Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Personally, I agree that having multiple active discussion/second periods on debian-vote is problematic. Don Right; that's what we seemed to agree on as well. Don I think that we can all agree that we'd like a decision on this

Re: Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-11-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 01:38:24AM +, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: Distribution packages have been almost all converted to systemd services, with a handful of less-used-packages remaining [1]. Jóhann B Guðmundsson, the erstwhile feature owner for

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Brian Gupta
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: Don == Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Personally, I agree that having multiple active discussion/second periods on debian-vote is problematic. Don Right; that's what we seemed to agree on as well.

Re: Last minute discussion

2014-11-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Saul Goode wrote: I imagine I've missed other contributors, but the point is that for each of the 1084 Debian Developers who are being asked to vote in this GR, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of contributors who are deserving not only of recognition for