Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 6:55 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 6:41:42 PM EDT Brian Gupta wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Neil McGovern wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:57:55AM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > > * Louis-Philippe Véronneau

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 6:41:42 PM EDT Brian Gupta wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Neil McGovern wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:57:55AM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > * Louis-Philippe Véronneau [2020-03-18 12:52]: > > > > Would you care to elaborate on what "the Yorba

Re: Question for all candidates: Sam's non-platform: Delegates

2020-03-18 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM Sean Whitton wrote: > > Hello, > > In his non-platform, Sam wrote > > If I were running as DPL, figuring out how to do a better job of > managing delegations, respecting both the current delegates and the > needs of the project, would be my priority for

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Neil McGovern wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:57:55AM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > * Louis-Philippe Véronneau [2020-03-18 12:52]: > > > Would you care to elaborate on what "the Yorba determination" is? I > > > couldn't find anything online about

Re: What are your thoughts on discourse?

2020-03-18 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 6:01 AM Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Hello dear DPL candidates, > > I would like all the candidates to reply to this question on discourse: > https://discourse.debian.net/t/dear-dpl-candidates-what-are-your-thoughts-on-discourse/75 > > Please create an account and answer

Re: What are your thoughts on discourse?

2020-03-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:05:58PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > (since it's a test site I guess that might be invalid one day) It is very, very likely to be invalid in the coming weeks/months. I shall endeavour to copy any replies to the topic over to this list for posterity. Neil

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:57:55AM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Louis-Philippe Véronneau [2020-03-18 12:52]: > > Would you care to elaborate on what "the Yorba determination" is? I > > couldn't find anything online about this... > > There was a time when the IRS didn't approve any new

Re: Question for all candidates: Sam's non-platform: Delegates

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/18 19:33, Sean Whitton wrote: > In his non-platform, Sam wrote > > If I were running as DPL, figuring out how to do a better job of > managing delegations, respecting both the current delegates and the > needs of the project, would be my priority for the next year. I >

Re: What are your thoughts on discourse?

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Sean On 2020/03/18 19:34, Sean Whitton wrote: > I don't mind clicking on a link to read the answers too much, but I > think your answers should be preserved in our mailing list archives. Here is the permalink from my answer:

Re: Question to Jonathan: how do you intend to prioritise?

2020-03-18 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Jonathan, On Tue 17 Mar 2020 at 12:21PM +02, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Great question, thanks! I'll try to explain it without throughing more > bullet points at you while at the same time navigating all the clichés > that exist for so many good reasons. Thanks, this e-mail helps a lot. >

Question for all candidates: Sam's non-platform: Delegates

2020-03-18 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, In his non-platform, Sam wrote If I were running as DPL, figuring out how to do a better job of managing delegations, respecting both the current delegates and the needs of the project, would be my priority for the next year. I hope that the candidates who step forward

Re: What are your thoughts on discourse?

2020-03-18 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 18 Mar 2020 at 11:00AM +01, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hello dear DPL candidates, > > I would like all the candidates to reply to this question on discourse: > https://discourse.debian.net/t/dear-dpl-candidates-what-are-your-thoughts-on-discourse/75 > > Please create an account and

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Louis-Philippe Véronneau [2020-03-18 12:52]: > Would you care to elaborate on what "the Yorba determination" is? I > couldn't find anything online about this... There was a time when the IRS didn't approve any new 501(c)(3) applications for open source related organizations and basically put

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 20-03-18 04 h 36, Neil McGovern wrote: > Hi Brian, > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:53:10AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: >>> I understand coming up with a solid business plan for a "Debian >>> Foundation" is not something that can be done in a few weeks. >> >> You are correct. It's going to take

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 20-03-18 00 h 53, Brian Gupta wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:52 PM Louis-Philippe Véronneau > wrote: >> >> Hi Brian, >> >> The idea of having a Debian Foundation sounds interesting, although I do >> share some of tbm's fears. >> >> From what I understand, you want this DPL election to be

Re: What are your thoughts on discourse?

2020-03-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:28:21 AM EDT Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi Raphaël > > On 2020/03/18 12:00, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > I would like all the candidates to reply to this question on discourse: > > https://discourse.debian.net/t/dear-dpl-candidates-what-are-your-thoughts-> > > >

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi all, On 18.03.20 13:36, Pranav Jain wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:58 PM Sruthi Chandran wrote: >> On 18/03/20 4:06 pm, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: >>> The fact that we don't know this might hint at the need of having a >>> feedback process for Outreach in Debian. >>> >>> This process could

Re: What are your thoughts on discourse?

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Raphaël On 2020/03/18 12:00, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I would like all the candidates to reply to this question on discourse: > https://discourse.debian.net/t/dear-dpl-candidates-what-are-your-thoughts-on-discourse/75 Done. > The kind of discussions that we have in debian-vote is very much

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:01:28PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > Honestly, I don't think it's a problem we can solve right now, but at > > the very least, we should do whatever it takes to not be part of the > > problem, and we should take every small step we can take to be the

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Sruthi Chandran
On 18/03/20 4:06 pm, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > Hi! > > @JonathanCarter: thank you very much for encouraging us to continue this > discussion here :) > ... > Agreed. > > @Adrian: I think you should read up on the Flosspols study [1] and > especially about the time women and men can put into free

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Sruthi Chandran
On 18/03/20 3:05 pm, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2020-03-18 10:26]: >>> As a former Outreachy intern myself (2015) I can tell you that it the >>> stipend has helped me to invest time to find my way around Debian, time >>> during which otherwise I would have had to earn

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Sruthi Chandran
On 17/03/20 10:02 pm, Hector Oron wrote: > Hello, > > First of all, thanks for nominating yourselves to Debian project leaders. > > Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood > into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on > the other hand, it

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/18 13:16, Héctor Orón Martínez wrote: > That's one option, yes. > I would like people being in such case to at least be tested that > they know about DFSG and Debian core values. +1, as a DPL I would not add someone to a delegation unless I'm satisfied that they are at least

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
@JPA, On 18.03.20 12:01, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 3/18/20 10:58 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Why is it fair to support a woman in a rich first-world country but not > the poor boy in the streets of Delhi? Quoting Outreachy: "We expressly invite women (both cis and trans), trans

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/18 13:01, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> You hit a very important aspect of privilege in your mail here that I'm >> not sure you're fully conscious of. Back in 1989, me and my little >> buddies were typing BASIC in to a ZX-Spectrum so that we can play new >> games. It was great and

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Héctor Orón Martínez
Hello, Thanks all for the replies! It makes an interesting discussion, however, I would like to remember those were questions to the upcoming DPL, so we can have more informed decision when voting. Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dc., 18 de març 2020 a les 11:37: > Last but not least, I'd

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/18/20 10:58 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > You hit a very important aspect of privilege in your mail here that I'm > not sure you're fully conscious of. Back in 1989, me and my little > buddies were typing BASIC in to a ZX-Spectrum so that we can play new > games. It was great and we learned a

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! @JonathanCarter: thank you very much for encouraging us to continue this discussion here :) On 18.03.20 10:35, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2020-03-18 10:26]: >>> As a former Outreachy intern myself (2015) I can tell you that it the >>> stipend has helped me to

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Adrian On 2020/03/18 11:26, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > You also don't need much to do programming. I started with a C64 from my > brother because I didn't even have my own computer and we didn't have > an x86 machine before 1997 which also belonged to my parents and not me. You hit a

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Enrico Zini
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:03:13PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2020/03/18 11:58, Enrico Zini wrote: > > Note that another option available to address this, which has been used > > before and isn't used as often as it could, is to ask DAM to have a look > > at the missing membership problem.

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Enrico Zini
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:36:24AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > My honest answer? Yes, it would be nice if all the delegates could be > project members, I understand your concern, but often it's best to be > willing to work with people who are willing to do the work. Note that another option

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hey Enrico On 2020/03/18 11:58, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:36:24AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > >> My honest answer? Yes, it would be nice if all the delegates could be >> project members, I understand your concern, but often it's best to be >> willing to work with people

What are your thoughts on discourse?

2020-03-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello dear DPL candidates, I would like all the candidates to reply to this question on discourse: https://discourse.debian.net/t/dear-dpl-candidates-what-are-your-thoughts-on-discourse/75 Please create an account and answer there. At least it would give you a feeling of how it looks like to use

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/17 18:32, Hector Oron wrote: > Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood > into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on > the other hand, it has been a quite expensive to run for the real > benefit provided to Debian project. Reading

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2020-03-18 10:26]: > > As a former Outreachy intern myself (2015) I can tell you that it the > > stipend has helped me to invest time to find my way around Debian, time > > during which otherwise I would have had to earn a living elsewhere and > > would never have

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/17/20 9:45 PM, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > As a former Outreachy intern myself (2015) I can tell you that it the > stipend has helped me to invest time to find my way around Debian, time > during which otherwise I would have had to earn a living elsewhere and > would never have gotten involved

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/17 22:45, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > (I have no idea if I am allowed to reply to this, or if only DPL > candidates are supposed to reply. Hence forgive me if I'm overstepping a > boundary here. Please tell me if that is the case by the way.) Not problem whatsoever, imho it's important that

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Brian, On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:53:10AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: > > I understand coming up with a solid business plan for a "Debian > > Foundation" is not something that can be done in a few weeks. > > You are correct. It's going to take 6-12 months of work to create the > foundation, >

Re: Costs of running a Debian foundation

2020-03-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:55:48AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:37 AM Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:46:09PM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > So I'm more satisfied with the rationale of creating a Debian > > > foundation, although my

Re: Costs of running a Debian foundation

2020-03-18 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:37 AM Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:46:09PM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > So I'm more satisfied with the rationale of creating a Debian > > foundation, although my concerns about the actual operations still > > apply (i.e. how are you going