Re: Making the RMS resolution a Secret Ballot

2021-04-11 Thread Eduard Bloch
Hallo, * Didier 'OdyX' Raboud [Sun, Apr 11 2021, 06:00:30PM]: > For what I'm concerned, I don't "insist on making the personal views on this > GR public", because it was always clear (to me) that all voters' personal > views on this GR would end up being made public by the secretary on our >

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-11 Thread Timo Röhling
* Adrian Bunk [2021-04-11 20:53]: I am not saying people were stupid. Okay, that was hyperbolic. But you have to admit that you don't seem to put much confidence in people's ability (or willingness) to read the explanations that come with each ballot. I am by no means a voting system nerd and

Re: Making the RMS resolution a Secret Ballot

2021-04-11 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 10:59:16AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I support this approach and believe the DPL should decide under 5.1(3) > that Debian will not publish the association between identity and ballot > for the RMS resolution. I too support the mechanism to achieve it but not the

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-11 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 11 avril 2021 à 20:53:33+0300, Adrian Bunk a écrit : > On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 06:50:36PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > > > > Besides, I am still unconvinced and mildly offended by the assumption > > that people who voted 1--- were too stupid to do it right. > >... > > I am not

Re: Making the RMS resolution a Secret Ballot

2021-04-11 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 11 avril 2021 à 18:12:56+0200, Micha Lenk a écrit : > Hi Pierre-Elliott, > > Am 11.04.21 um 14:27 schrieb Pierre-Elliott Bécue: > > > Those who insist on making the personal views on this (non-technical!!!) > > > GR public should be ashamed of dragging their fellows into denuding > >

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-11 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 06:50:36PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > > Besides, I am still unconvinced and mildly offended by the assumption > that people who voted 1--- were too stupid to do it right. >... I am not saying people were stupid. It can be hard to vote correctly in a voting system

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-11 Thread Timo Röhling
* Adrian Bunk [2021-04-11 19:06]: Such a change would not remove any voting options since votes like 1--- have equivalent espressions like 1222. I disagree. Not on theoretical grounds, but if you assume that someone votes 1--- because they are too lazy to read the instructions, how

Re: Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-11 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 10:51:26AM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > Hey Adrian, Hi Barak, > > When looking at the tally of the latest systemd vote,[1] > > there are plenty of votes like > > 1--- > > > > It is obvious what these voters wanted to express, > > and that their ballot was

Re: Making the RMS resolution a Secret Ballot

2021-04-11 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi Pierre-Elliott, Am 11.04.21 um 14:27 schrieb Pierre-Elliott Bécue: Those who insist on making the personal views on this (non-technical!!!) GR public should be ashamed of dragging their fellows into denuding themselves for no good reason. I am really worried that someone could say that

Re: Making the RMS resolution a Secret Ballot

2021-04-11 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 11 avril 2021, 01.02:18 h CEST Eduard Bloch a écrit : > Those who insist on making the personal views on this (non-technical!!!) > GR public should be ashamed of dragging their fellows into denuding > themselves for no good reason. Just clarifying one thing here, to make sure there's

Re: Making the RMS resolution a Secret Ballot

2021-04-11 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le 11 avril 2021 01:02:18 GMT+02:00, Eduard Bloch a écrit : >Those who insist on making the personal views on this (non-technical!!!) >GR public should be ashamed of dragging their fellows into denuding >themselves for no good reason. I am really worried that someone could say that holding to

Re: Making the RMS resolution a Secret Ballot

2021-04-11 Thread Colin Tuckley
On 11/04/2021 08:53, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > As secretary, I do not intend to make the vote secret. Given Debian's current rules that is probably correct. > Personally, I would like to see the vote secret. Me too. > I think the best way to make the vote secret is that the DPL makes a > decision.

Re: Making the RMS resolution a Secret Ballot

2021-04-11 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 09:29:21AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > I agree for the GR vote to be secret. I understand others came to a > different conclusion. I trust Kurt for making the right decision. I > will not complain about it. As secretary, I do not intend to make the vote secret.