Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:40 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > I don't understand how you semantically see 7 and 8 as comparable. Aside from Bdale's reason for ranking unwanted options below FD—which were motivated by the voting system—I do: GRs do not decide a matter with prejudice, even

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le lundi 19 avril 2021 à 12:46:38-0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > "Barak A. Pearlmutter" writes: > > > Sam, you make an excellent point about gaps between options, and that > > a ranking does not show the strength of preferences. Like, I might > > prefer ALPHA >>> BETA > GAMMA while you prefer

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 18 avril 2021 à 22:18:22+0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter a écrit : > The Schwartz set resolution algorithm is absolutely best of breed. But > there's an old saying in computer science: garbage in, garbage out. > > If we look at the actual ballots, it's really interesting. Options 7 > and 8

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Russ Allbery
"Barak A. Pearlmutter" writes: > Sam, you make an excellent point about gaps between options, and that > a ranking does not show the strength of preferences. Like, I might > prefer ALPHA >>> BETA > GAMMA while you prefer ALPHA > BETA >>> GAMMA. > So if it's down to ALPHA vs BETA, my vote should

Re: Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 05:32:40PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > Sam Hartman writes: > > For me though, even there, notice that we'd be choosing between options > > that the voters considered acceptable. > > Because of that, I am not bothered by the cycle. > > If the decision doesn't

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 16:35, Sam Hartman wrote: > I think we need voting reform around how the amendment process works and > managing discussion time ... > ... > Preferences can be of different strengths. > > Which is to say that the gaps between preferences might be relatively > weak.

Re: Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Bdale Garbee
FWIW, I didn't consider 7 and 8 at all similar. After watching the strain the pre-vote discussion introduced, I decided making no statement as a project was the best outcome. But if the project were to make a statement, I wanted to express preference between the acceptable to me statements,

Re: Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
Sam Hartman writes: > For me though, even there, notice that we'd be choosing between options > that the voters considered acceptable. > Because of that, I am not bothered by the cycle. If the decision doesn't really matter but a non-FD option must be chosen (like a hungry group picking a

Re: Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Barak" == Barak A Pearlmutter writes: Barak> The Schwartz set resolution algorithm is absolutely best of Barak> breed. But there's an old saying in computer science: garbage Barak> in, garbage out. Barak> If we look at the actual ballots, it's really Barak>

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm writing to present an alternate interpretation--the one under which I think our voting system is doing a good job of choosing among complex ballots in the last couple elections. I think we need voting reform around how the amendment process works and managing discussion time, but I am very

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Don Armstrong (2021-04-19 00:39:12) > On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > If we look at the actual ballots, it's really interesting. Options 7 > > and 8 were semantically pretty much equivalent. It's hard to see any > > reason for someone to rank them very differently. >

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-19 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2021/04/18 23:36, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Complaining about the > voting system because you don't like the outcome or because you could > announce the outcome in an awkward way is not helpful. Who complained about the voting system because they didn't like the outcome of this particular vote?