Le samedi, 1 avril 2023, 16.24:51 h CEST Luna Jernberg a écrit :
> Not really any point to vote as highvoltage is the only one to vote on
> congrats to being the Debian Project Leader for another year
With Q being about 16, and quorum being 3Q, at least 48 developers need to
vote highvoltage
Le mercredi, 14 septembre 2022, 17.00:26 h CEST Holger Levsen a écrit :
> -
> Proposal F
>
> This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation
> document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1
>
Le jeudi, 8 septembre 2022, 07.14:09 h CEST Russ Allbery a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
> > Thanks for that proposal Russ!
> >
> > While we're at updating the Social Contract's article 5, what about a
> > more invasive cleanup, to reflect reality ?
&
Thanks for that proposal Russ!
While we're at updating the Social Contract's article 5, what about a more
invasive cleanup, to reflect reality ?
Le mercredi, 7 septembre 2022, 19.48:36 h CEST Russ Allbery a écrit :
> --
>
Le dimanche, 11 avril 2021, 23.10:53 h CEST Jonathan Wiltshire a écrit :
> So I suggest the DPL directs under s5.1 something like:
>
> "The secretary shall delay publication of the the association between
> identify and ballot on the tally sheet, for a period of not more than 90
> days, unless
Le dimanche, 11 avril 2021, 01.02:18 h CEST Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> Those who insist on making the personal views on this (non-technical!!!)
> GR public should be ashamed of dragging their fellows into denuding
> themselves for no good reason.
Just clarifying one thing here, to make sure there's
Le vendredi, 9 avril 2021, 19.12:26 h CEST Sam Hartman a écrit :
> On another list, there was discussion of the DPL encouraging the
> secretary to make the vote on the rms GR secret.
For what is worth; let me bring a slightly dissonant voice in that discussion.
While abundantly aware of the
I'm well aware the discussion period is over, but I can't let that one pass,
so bear with me.
Le vendredi, 2 avril 2021, 18.19:02 h CEST Barak A. Pearlmutter a écrit :
> Fifty years ago a laserprinter didn't work right because of some
> software issue and he couldn't fix it because the software
1 avril 2021 17:01 "Kurt Roeckx" a écrit:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:40:59PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 12:42:01PM +, Jean Duprat (Avignon) wrote:
>> Votes in leadership elections are kept secret even after the end of
>> the voting period for obvious
Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau a écrit :
> On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> >> I've been telling a few people last month that I would really liked to
> >> have an Enterprise Edition Online MiniDebConf, unfortunately I don't
> >> have any
Le lundi, 22 mars 2021, 21.09:05 h CET Jonas Meurer a écrit :
> Why not have an officially delegated Debian Project Board that meets
> once a week (or every two weeks) and discusses and tackles painpoints in
> the project at large?
Or an elected one.
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Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 10.38:08 h CET Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> There are quite a few software projects that have hired staff to help
> smooth the internal working of organizations, I know at least of Django
> with its fellowship program:
>
Le vendredi, 22 mars 2019, 09.32:55 h CEST Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> I'm probably missing something, but it doesn't sound like a lot of work
> to me? It's "just" a service that:
> - gets notified of the existence of a git repo + tag to upload
> - fetches that git repo + tag
> - checks signature /
Le dimanche, 1 avril 2018, 00.11:58 h CEST Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 11:03:00PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Like it or not, but there *is* a big difference in the project making
> > something available for the big wide world (which a public NEW would
> > be), or a user
Le mercredi, 21 septembre 2016, 21.17:19 h CEST Steve M. Robbins a écrit :
>
>
> Title: debian-private shall remain private
>
> The text of the GR is replaced with the following.
>
> 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled
Le jeudi, 1 septembre 2016, 23.15:05 h CEST Gunnar Wolf a écrit :
> === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
>
> Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private.
>
> 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private
>list archives" is repealed.
> 2. In keeping with
Le dimanche, 11 septembre 2016, 11.01:09 h CEST Anthony Towns a écrit :
> In that sense, my reading of the original version of the GR that just
> failed was pretty much "eh, we don't care that much about transparency
> when it comes to ourselves and it's time we admit that". Which is fine,
I
Hi Holger,
Le lundi, 8 août 2016, 13.34:07 h CEST Holger Levsen a écrit :
> So, I hereby announce that I'll propose another GR to "depeal the GR
> of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying debian-private"
> if *this* GR turns out to result in "further discussion".
Here we are.
Le mardi, 9 août 2016, 00.14:49 h CEST Nick Phillips a écrit :
> To be clear - I do not believe that it would be acceptable for any message
> to be made public without explicit approval of the author. A mere lack of
> objection is not enough - however it does seem to me that this is a road
> that
Le vendredi, 22 juillet 2016, 12.28:38 h CEST Jakub Wilk a écrit :
> Luckily there's an awesome non-gendered and non-furnitured alternative:
>
> President
Point is, the TC is constitutionally only about half-surrogating
MIA DPLs and breaking ties. The non-constitutional part of the duty is
Le vendredi, 8 juillet 2016, 15.27:56 Margarita Manterola a écrit :
> === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
>
> Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian
> Constitution
>
> All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word
> Chair.
>
> === END GR TEXT ===
Seconded;
Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 12.31:40 Don Armstrong a écrit :
> That puts a whole lot of stop energy in front of anyone who actually
> is interested in trying to declassify -private, though; they'd have
> to come up with a method, bikeshed the method, and then propose a
> vote which still might not
Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 14.39:21 Holger Levsen a écrit :
> (should the text be reworded, I'd like to propose s#Debian
> Developers#Debian members#g.)
Point is; only "Developers" (the term our constitution uses) are
supposed to ever have been subscribed to d-private.
That said, we could amend
Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 15.37:08 Nicolas Dandrimont a écrit :
> === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
>
> Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private.
>
> 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of
>debian-private list archives" is repealed.
> 2. In keeping with
Le jeudi, 17 décembre 2015, 09.43:20 Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
> Dear Secretary,
> (CC'ing the TC chair, as per §7.2)
>
> Le dimanche, 13 décembre 2015, 00.00:05 devotee a écrit :
> > This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote
> > results.
&
Dear Secretary,
(CC'ing the TC chair, as per §7.2)
Le dimanche, 13 décembre 2015, 00.00:05 devotee a écrit :
> This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote results.
> Official results shall follow, sent in by the vote taker, namely
> Debian Project Secretary
>
> This
Hi Sam,
thanks for this relaunch.
Le lundi, 26 octobre 2015, 21.22:46 Sam Hartman a écrit :
>- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
>
>
>Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix
>
>Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical
>Committee could
Le mardi, 1 septembre 2015, 12.20:05 Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: GR: Constitutional Amendment to fix an off-
by-one error and duplicate section numbering"):
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:12:41PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > >(i) Delete most of A.6(3) (which implemented
Hi Axel,
(CC'ing aba, as GR proposer).
Le lundi, 31 août 2015, 10.26:18 Axel Beckert a écrit :
> Kurt Roeckx - Debian Project Secretary wrote:
> > https://www.debian.org/vote/2015/vote_002
>
> Please either do not use the word combination "fencepost bug" at all
> or explain its meaning.
These
Andreas: GR amendment proposal below.
Le lundi, 31 août 2015, 11.04:59 Axel Beckert a écrit :
> I would have preferred if "off-by-one" would have been used instead of
> "fencepost" as in the subject of the original GR proposal. That term
> is later missing in the announcement by Kurt as well as
Le jeudi, 27 août 2015, 10.04:50 Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:12:41PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
we (as the Technical Committee) have encountered two bugs in the
constitution which we like to fix. For this reason, I propose the
following General Resolution to
Le mercredi, 26 août 2015, 22.12:41 Andreas Barth a écrit :
- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix
Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical
Committee could overrule a Developer with a supermajority of 3:1.
Le vendredi, 20 mars 2015, 19.15:24 Neil McGovern a écrit :
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 09:57:28AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
in your platform, you advocate PPAs and modernising our build and
infrastructure.
What's the DPL's role in this? Or, put differently, couldn't you
just start
Le mardi, 17 mars 2015, 14.16:09 Paul Wise a écrit :
Add an extra component that d-i could add to sources.list when
non-free firmware is needed, instead of adding all of non-free.
I'd very much welcome a solution along these lines: not every package in
non-free is the same kind of evil for me,
Le lundi, 1 décembre 2014, 12.20:25 Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
I'm hereby formally submitting the GR proposal included below between
dashed double lines, and calling for seconds. With respect to past
discussions on the -vote mailing list, this is the proposal code-named
2-S; see [1,2] for
Le lundi, 1 décembre 2014, 14.37:30 Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
I am hereby formally submitting an alternative proposal, between
double-dashed lines below (formally it's an amendment, but I don't
expect Stefano to accept it, as we discussed it before). I am also
calling for seconds (see below).
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 10.13:45 Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
The '2-R' schema could even result in an internal TC discussion: OK,
the Project wants us to change two members. Are there people that feel
like resigning now? Or should we just fallback to the default of
expiring the two most
Hi zack@,
Thanks for pushing this subject forward, it's a constitutional change I
would likely second.
Le mardi, 18 novembre 2014, 14.15:25 Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
provided /they/ were appointed reads to me like it might mean that
if only one of them was appointed that long ago, maybe
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 00.12:27 Neil McGovern a écrit :
Even if it were as ready, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have
a
separate GR. Voting once instead of twice is nice for everyone, but
conflating two separate decisions in a single GR has been proven to
be unwise in the
Hi Neil, (CC'ing secretary@)
Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 23.53:43 Neil McGovern a écrit :
The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
secretary, is appended below.
From what I can see [0], the public
(Dropping -project)
Le mardi, 28 octobre 2014, 17.26:32 Ian Jackson a écrit :
Thanks to Steve for his perceptive and well-reasoned article.
Steve Langasek writes:
There are also a lot of Debian users who are afraid of what the
future holds for an OS that they love very much; and they
Ian,
Le mercredi, 22 octobre 2014, 13.34:27 Ian Jackson a écrit :
Jonas Smedegaard writes (Re: Tentative summary of the amendments):
I too find it wrong to interpret Ian's text as a war between systemd
and sysvinit - that's anything but basically fine!
It's only a war between systemd and
Le lundi, 20 octobre 2014, 12.17:14 Neil McGovern a écrit :
Ian's: make each package support all alternative init systems
This is actively misleading in a least four ways:
Yup, I wouldn't count that as neutral either. How about:
Your two proposals don't seem to match Ian's to which
Le dimanche, 19 octobre 2014, 23.29:21 Charles Plessy a écrit :
--
The Debian project asks its members to be considerate when proposing
General Resolutions, as the GR process may be disruptive regardless
of the outcome of
Le lundi, 20 octobre 2014, 14.14:58 Joey Hess a écrit :
The tech committe made a separate ruling on this question, and
decided:
For the record, the TC expects maintainers to continue to
support the multiple available init systems in Debian. That
includes merging reasonable contributions,
Le vendredi, 17 octobre 2014, 10.00:59 Ean Schuessler a écrit :
- Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote:
If you don't like upstreams choices, *you* should write patches. Not
GRs telling other people to do so.
Very well stated. Perhaps a sensible response to this GR is for all of
Le vendredi, 17 octobre 2014, 19.50:22 Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
We need the GR to ensure situation stays good. No big deal.
That's the fundamental crux of the disagreement I think: A GR will _not_
automagically generate upstream attention for non-systemd support.
Point.
If your good
Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit :
Russ Allbery writes (Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for
Debian):
As a TC member, I dislike the supermajority requirement for the
project to overturn a TC decision by GR, particularly in this case.
I think we would all
Hi Moray,
Le dimanche, 17 mars 2013 16.42:34, Moray Allan a écrit :
Will not being elected de-motivate you?
In many ways, not being elected would be a relief. I'd have more time
to put into non-Debian parts of my life.
However, if I am not elected, I would see that as a lack of
Hi Russ,
while I do agree with the rest of your post, there's one part which I'm not
sure to understand correctly:
Le mercredi, 13 mars 2013 18.03:36, Russ Allbery a écrit :
For example, I live in the SF Bay Area. Fair market compensation here for
the sort of senior IT person that we would
Hi Moray, hi all,
Le mardi, 12 mars 2013 21.24:15, Moray Allan a écrit :
In my view, if we want to lengthen the term of office for our
leadership roles, which could have beneficial aspects, we should do that
as part of a wider reform that reduces the concentration of roles/power
in a single
Le jeudi, 14 mars 2013 13.00:09, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
As I see it, one way to do that (which has certainly been proposed already)
would be to have a sort-of DPL guild⁰. It would have these properties¹:
(…)
Damn, I just realised all candidates already addressed the wider board idea
On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Josselin Mouette wrote:
However a newcomer not aware of your fanatic rejection of any kind of
standard tools would absolutely not understand what this is about. And
the same goes about everything else in the package.
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I just update code in
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