Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-30 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
Moving back onto the list after some private discussion. From my point of view, I am not sure how much of this can be easily solved by throwing money at the problem, unless hiring tech writers is something the project as a whole considers a valid use of our money. (I am, entirely unconvinced

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-26 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:15:02PM +, Mark Brown wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 01:58:02PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Use of debian seems to be limited because it isn't on any approved lists and charties can't get funding for an independent evaluation at the moment. Would you support using

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-26 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:28:21AM -0400, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:15:02PM +, Mark Brown wrote: This is also an issue in some other industries for things like the PCI DSS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_DSS), FWIW. Taken with a grain of salt, but I can't

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:43:06PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: Do you have any further ideas yourself on where we should spend our money? How about paying grants to other charities to evaluate debian, to adapt it to meet their needs and deploy it, or to hold

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-25 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 01:58:02PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Use of debian seems to be limited because it isn't on any approved lists and charties can't get funding for an independent evaluation at the moment. Would you support using donations to fund one or both of those? This is also an issue

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-24 Thread MJ Ray
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:43:06PM +, MJ Ray wrote: paying grants to other charities to evaluate debian, What does this mean? Paying someone to evaluate debian? I don't get this ... As I understand it, charities currently pick their operating

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-24 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 01:58:02PM +, MJ Ray wrote: As I understand it, charities currently pick their operating system by either doing an independent evaluation (an old guide of that sort of style from when I last worked for a non-profit is at http://www.volresource.org.uk/swit/select.htm

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-23 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:43:06PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: Do you have any further ideas yourself on where we should spend our money? How about I don't get much of the actual payment you are proposing to do, let's see. paying grants to other charities

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:50:52AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Other potential usages of Debian moneys are bounties, to which I'm not opposed in principle. However, they should obey to very specific rules. The first one is that no one already contributing to Debian should be authorized to

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org writes: Except I'm not sure this would be legal under non-profit law, unless you're very careful. There's an issue that funds can't be used to pay someone the equivilent of a 'wage' in this way. US non-profits can hire employees, but I believe there are conflict

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:29PM +, Joseph Nahmias wrote: Hello Steve, Luk, and Zak! Argh, Zack, with 'c' and 'k' :-) SCNR Having just particpated in the latest SPI board meeting, I've learned that The Debian Project currently has over 125k USD in reserve. This amount (even setting

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:59:44PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: 3 - Should these decisions be made by the DPL acting alone, or should that be left to the project membership deciding collectively? I believe the decision should remain, as the default, a DPL priority

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-20 Thread Luk Claes
Joseph Nahmias wrote: Hello Steve, Luk, and Zack! Hi Joseph Having just particpated in the latest SPI board meeting, I've learned that The Debian Project currently has over 125k USD in reserve. This amount (even setting aside the recent 30k debconf9 sponsorship by HP) seems to be at a

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-20 Thread Luk Claes
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, Mar 18 2009, Joseph Nahmias wrote: 1 - What is an appropriate reserve level for the project? 2 - How should funds above that level be allocated? 3 - Should these decisions be made by the DPL acting alone, or should that be left to

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-20 Thread Luk Claes
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:29PM +, Joseph Nahmias wrote: 2 - How should funds above that level be allocated? Other potential usages of Debian moneys are bounties, to which I'm not opposed in principle. However, they should obey to very specific rules.

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:26:08PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: I don't think bounties are the answer. I agree however that money could possibly be spent on tasks where we find no volunteer for. Which is my precise position (look at the two conditions I've posed) ... or else I'm not getting the

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:29PM +, Joseph Nahmias wrote: Hello Steve, Luk, and Zak! Hi Joseph! Having just particpated in the latest SPI board meeting, I've learned that The Debian Project currently has over 125k USD in reserve. This amount (even setting aside the recent 30k debconf9

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:59:44PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: 3 - Should these decisions be made by the DPL acting alone, or should that be left to the project membership deciding collectively? Hi Manoj, For many of the expenses, I'm happy to leave it up to the

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Mar 18 2009, Joseph Nahmias wrote: 1 - What is an appropriate reserve level for the project? 2 - How should funds above that level be allocated? 3 - Should these decisions be made by the DPL acting alone, or should that be left to the project membership

Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-18 Thread Joseph Nahmias
Hello Steve, Luk, and Zak! Having just particpated in the latest SPI board meeting, I've learned that The Debian Project currently has over 125k USD in reserve. This amount (even setting aside the recent 30k debconf9 sponsorship by HP) seems to be at a point where we as a project should start