Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-04-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonas Smedegaard dijo [Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 12:52:31PM +0200]: > > Hmm, debconf.org says "Copyright Software in the Public Interest, > > Inc", but there is no imprint or anything. DebConf as such is not > > listed as a separate project on https://www.spi-inc.org/projects/; of > > course it

DebConf and legal structure for the project (was: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine)

2022-04-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Dowland writes: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but Debconf is not formally a part of Debian, > and so cannot be bound by the outcome of a GR anyway. This is the sort of thing that would be good to clear up as part of the process of making Debian a more formal organization. I don't want to

Legal entities for Debian (was: Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine)

2022-04-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Holger Levsen writes: > the CCC e.V. association OTOH was formed as a legal entity to protect > individuals. To be clear, this sort of outcome may well be the correct outcome of "give Debian legal existence." In other words, the goal doesn't need to be to form a non-profit with the name

Re: DebConf and legal structure for the project (was: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine)

2022-04-08 Thread martin f krafft
Regarding the following, written by "Russ Allbery" on 2022-04-08 at 10:17 Uhr -0700: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Debconf is not formally a part of Debian, and so cannot be bound by the outcome of a GR anyway. This is the sort of thing that would be good to clear up as part of the process of

Re: DebConf and legal structure for the project

2022-04-08 Thread Russ Allbery
martin f krafft writes: > … I recommend you don't even start trying. Not only is it going to be a > massive bikeshed, DebConf also basically requires a legal entity in > whatever country we choose for our next holiday camp. And so yeah, > DebConf is never going to be formally a part of Debian.

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-04-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 01:35:14PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Debian does not exist, legally :-) and that's a feature, not a bug. the CCC e.V. association OTOH was formed as a legal entity to protect individuals. it's possible to go both ways to achieve some of the same goals, but the current

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-04-08 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 10:19:27PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 01:35:14PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Debian does not exist, legally :-) I'm repeating others, but I think it's important to repeat: This may not be true. At least in the US, existence is a matter of

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-04-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:17:42PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: Half the people on this planet are living in countries that did not approve the "Aggression against Ukraine" UN resolution, including many Debian contributors. The proposed GR text makes no reference to that UN resolution, so I don't

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-04-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 08:21:39PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: If a Debconf location is also considered a political statement as you imply then we have to choose Debconf locations by means of GR, starting with a GR right now whether Debian wants to consider Kosovo a self-determined sovereign

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-04-08 Thread Ansgar
On Fri, 2022-04-08 at 10:44 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 08:21:39PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > If a Debconf location is also considered a political statement as > > you > > imply then we have to choose Debconf locations by means of GR, > > starting > > with a GR

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-04-08 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Jonathan On 2022/04/08 11:44, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Debconf is not formally a part of Debian, and so cannot be bound by the outcome of a GR anyway. Due to how DebConf started and how it evolved, and the pace that they had to move on to get things done, they

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-04-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ansgar (2022-04-08 12:46:59) > On Fri, 2022-04-08 at 10:44 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 08:21:39PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > If a Debconf location is also considered a political statement as > > > you imply then we have to choose Debconf locations by