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I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
for seconds. This GR resolution proposal is identical to that
proposed by Matthew Vernon in March:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg0.html
and the substantive
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:05:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
for seconds.
Your proposal has been received and is signed correctly.
Neil
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On 16.10.2014 17:05, Ian Jackson wrote:
I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
for seconds.
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0. Rationale
Debian has decided (via the technical committee) to change its
default init system for the next release. The
Il giorno gio, 16/10/2014 alle 16.05 +0100, Ian Jackson ha scritto:
** Begin Proposal **
0. Rationale
Debian has decided (via the technical committee) to change its
default init system for the next release. The technical committee
decided not to decide about the question of coupling
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:05:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
As Matthew said, I don't think further lengthy discussion of the
issues is likely to be productive, and therefore hope we can bring
this swiftly to a vote. This is particularly true given the impact on
the jessie release.
Speaking
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:05:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
for seconds. This GR resolution proposal is identical to that
proposed by Matthew Vernon in March:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg0.html
and
** Begin Proposal **
0. Rationale
Debian has decided (via the technical committee) to change its
default init system for the next release. The technical committee
decided not to decide about the question of coupling i.e. whether
other packages in Debian may depend on a particular
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:05:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
for seconds. This GR resolution proposal is identical to that
proposed by Matthew Vernon in March:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg0.html
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:05:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
for seconds. This GR resolution proposal is identical to that
proposed by Matthew Vernon in March:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg0.html
Stefano Zacchiroli writes (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of
init systems):
Specifically: have you, or anyone else involved in this GR, asked the
GNOME team and the release team, whether a positive outcome of this GR
is going to disrupt their work (plans) or not?
No, I have not.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 07:57:06PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Seconded.
I'm getting a bad signature from you, can you try again, perhaps with a
clearsigned mail?
Thanks,
Neil
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Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
I think that if necessary we might have to delay the release. That
would be a matter for the release team. I would be very unhappy if we
ditched the ability of people to choose a different init system simply
to maintain our release
On Thu, 2014-10-16 at 19:01 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Stefano Zacchiroli writes (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of
init systems):
I've sympathy for the motives behind this GR, but discovering that those
teams might have their Jessie plans disrupted---on a very short
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:26:21PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
I think that if necessary we might have to delay the release. That
would be a matter for the release team. I would be very unhappy if we
ditched the ability of people to
Hi,
On Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2014, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
Speaking for no-one other than myself, I _am_ very unhappy that given
how long the discussion has been rumbling on for, and how much
opportunity there has been, that anyone thought that two weeks before
the freeze (which has had a
On 16 October 2014 21:41, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote:
And for what exactly? Gnome right now is installable with systemd-shim +
sysvinit, why can't this GR wait until after release when the dust has
settled?
That is great! And is exactly what the GR is supposed make sure keeps
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On Thu, 2014-10-16 at 22:00 +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
We have all kinds of policies about what is fine in a package and what
is a Release Critical bug. That is a big part of what makes a
distribution. This simply adds - must be able to work with any init
system running at PID 1 to those
Aigars Mahinovs aigar...@debian.org writes:
We have all kinds of policies about what is fine in a package and what
is a Release Critical bug. That is a big part of what makes a
distribution. This simply adds - must be able to work with any init
system running at PID 1 to those requirements.
Quoting Ansgar Burchardt (2014-10-16 20:50:31)
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:26:21PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Hurray, what a great idea to delay everything *now*.
And all because some people believe in conspiracy theories about Red
Hat...
This
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:24:52 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
As Matthew said, I don't think further lengthy discussion of the
issues is likely to be productive, and therefore hope we can bring
this swiftly to a vote. This is particularly true given the impact on
the jessie release.
Adam D. Barratt wrote:
Speaking for no-one other than myself, I _am_ very unhappy that given
how long the discussion has been rumbling on for, and how much
opportunity there has been, that anyone thought that two weeks before
the freeze (which has had a fixed date for nearly a year now) was
gregor herrmann gre...@debian.org (2014-10-16):
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:24:52 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
As Matthew said, I don't think further lengthy discussion of the
issues is likely to be productive, and therefore hope we can bring
this swiftly to a vote. This is
On 16 October 2014 22:13, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
Aigars Mahinovs aigar...@debian.org writes:
We have all kinds of policies about what is fine in a package and what
is a Release Critical bug. That is a big part of what makes a
distribution. This simply adds - must be able to
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:03:49PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
See, there is a clear difference:
[snip]
* if your software only works if started by this one init system -
that is a problem.
I don't quite understand this - what if you depend on something that's
only provided / supported on
On 16 October 2014 23:07, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote:
* if your software only works if started by this one init system -
that is a problem.
I don't quite understand this - what if you depend on something that's
only provided / supported on one init system? Take for example the
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:20:13PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
According to my reading of the proposal - either logind gets an RC bug
for not being able to work with other init systems
To be clear, this would be a bug against src:systemd about it not
working with non-systemd. Do we expect the
I second Ian Jackson's proposal 'preserve freedom of choice of init
systems'
craig
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On 16 October 2014 23:26, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:20:13PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
According to my reading of the proposal - either logind gets an RC bug
for not being able to work with other init systems
To be clear, this would be a bug
* Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk [141016 17:05]:
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Can I ask people to move discussion that is not relevant to the
vote to some other place?
Kurt
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On 10/16/2014 11:07 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
Can I ask people to move discussion that is not relevant to the
vote to some other place?
Do you really think anyone will feel that their contribution was not
relevant for the vote?
Anyway, is someone willing to propose an option that would postpone
❦ 16 octobre 2014 16:26 -0400, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org :
Here, we will likely do invasive forks of major upstream software
(GNOME) to get around a local requirement; do we expect the GNOME team
to do this?
By turning such bugs into RC bugs, the proponents are exactly advocating
On 2014-10-16 17:23, Ian Jackson wrote:
Ian Jackson writes (Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init
systems):
I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
for seconds. This GR resolution proposal is identical to that
proposed by Matthew Vernon in March:
On 17 October 2014 08:25, Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote:
By turning such bugs into RC bugs, the proponents are exactly advocating
this position: they put the burden on an under-staffed team.
If people feel strongly that init system XYZ should be supported, then
presumably somebody
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I second Ian's Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html
Regards,
Dimitri.
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