Re: GR Proposal 3: Declassification of -private - Future content only

2005-11-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:41:34AM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: -- Thus, I propose that the Debian project resolve that the process defined in GR Proposal 2 will be applied *only* for the future content of debian-private mailing list. -- To me, it's a second option that would make

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 08:32:59AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Here is a diff from AJ's proposal. I am now formally seeking seconds for this modified proposal, which has explicit guidelines for the most common case for not wantng the posts to be published. Seconded.

Question to all candidates: What to change?

2006-03-11 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi there, If you were elected tomorrow as DPL, and could only pick one thing about Debian to change, what would it be? Cheers, Neil -- A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? gpg key - http://www.halon.org.uk/pubkey.txt ; the.earth.li B345BDD3

Re: Question for candidate Schuldei

2006-03-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 02:59:49AM +0200, Daniel Stone wrote: #dplteam2006: stockholm - the littel oppinon poll that i did (asking ~30-40 people) was totally overwealming: everyone but mjg would have been in favour [of the proposed GR to force people into

Re: Donations

2006-06-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 03:57:11PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a company holds money on behalf of Debian and they don't charge Debian with taxes that is fine imo as the Debian-money is not touched by taxes in that case. I disagree. There are also

Re: Counter-proposal: reaffirm support for the elected DPL

2006-09-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:34:09AM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: The Debian Project reaffirms its support to its DPL. The Debian Project does not object to the experiment named Dunk-Tank, lead by Anthony Towns, the current DPL, and Steve Mc Intyre, the Second in Charge. However, this

Re: [PROPOSAL] Let's ship all firmwares included inthe pristine upstream kernel tarball in debian/etch.

2006-10-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 09:04:06PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: === START OF PROPOSAL === Given the difficulty of finding a common ground about the non-free firmware issue, the Debian Project does resolve that : 1) We allow inclusion in Debian Etch of all firmwares currently shipped in the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Postpone the etch release until all firmware issues are solved.

2006-10-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:07:20PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: === START OF PROPOSAL === The debian project resolves that : 1) We recognizes that there are many uncleared issues with the current binary firmware files in linux kernel. 2) We will not ship a kernel package

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:17:44PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: Clint Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian infrastructure and portions thereof are not analogous to packages. As many have pointed out already, packages can be NMUed. Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 02:02:51AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Neil McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:58:46AM +, MJ Ray wrote: What says SPI only listens to the DPL, not the project? AIUI, the DPL is appointed as an adviser to SPI's board, not a veto. Further

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:20:24PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Neil McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 02:02:51AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Yes, but sorry if this question was unclear: What says SPI only listens to the DPL, not the project? I'll extract the exact line from

Re: Question for Sam Hocevar

2007-03-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 07:40:37PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi, On Sat, 03 Mar 2007, Stephen Gran wrote: Maybe it is just a linguistic problem. Is it last that you find offensive or is it measure? Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you not

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal, updated

2007-06-27 Thread Neil McGovern
I second the proposal below. On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:41:35PM +0100, Anthony Towns wrote: Debian Maintainers Proposal The Debian Project endorses the concept of Debian Maintainers with limited access, and resolves that: 1) A new keyring will be created, called the Debian

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-07-31 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:48:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: = 5.2. Appointment 1. The Project Leader is elected by the Developers. 2. The election begins [-nine-] {+six+} weeks before the leadership post becomes vacant, or (if it is too late already) immediately.

Re: [VAC] Away for the end of the nomination period

2008-03-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 11:25:39PM -0600, Debian Project Secretary wrote: If some kind person would email debian-devel-announce on Sunday March 9th 00:01 UTC, and announce that the nomination period is over, I would appreciate it. Will do. Cheers, Neil -- Tincho 'Maybe you can

Debian Project Leader Election 2008

2008-03-08 Thread Neil McGovern
| +--+ Regards, Neil McGovern, pp Manoj -- jmtd irssiproxy appears to be crack cut with washing up powder signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-11 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 01:11:35AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: And without both those things, even if it improves now, it will stagnate again in future. Since the problem is stagnation, what about trying to address that directly? I suggest

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-10-08 Thread Neil McGovern
a week (so 4 weeks after this version), I'll assume it's dead. Thanks, Neil McGovern -- Erik_J good day! i hear this might be a good place to get some technical advice when one is debian eliterate :) signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug reports of DFSG violations are tagged ???lenny-ignore????

2008-10-23 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 03:51:22PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:23:50PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 21 October 2008, you wrote: But, in fact, fixes are not welcome from the team. They have raised a major roadblock, allowing only one kind of fix which

Re: Bug reports of DFSG violations are tagged ???lenny-ignore????

2008-10-23 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 07:06:14PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 05:41:05PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 03:51:22PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:23:50PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 21 October 2008, you wrote

Discussion period: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, The message in [EMAIL PROTECTED] has received enough seconds to start the discussion period. The text of the resolution is: -- - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce mailing list

Re: Discussion period: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:31:42PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: That makes 1 proposer + 6 seconders = 7 sponsors for that GR. We would need 3 more for the decisions to be put on hold immediately. A seconder is a sponsor, so you'd need 4 more. The original proposer cannot also sponsor the item:

Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi all, As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, as per 4.2.2 of the constitution. Attached below is the draft ballot for

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:31:15PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership

Re: Secretary? Delegate? [Was: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.]

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:16:53PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi all, As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:11:57PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 27/10/08 at 19:28 +, Neil McGovern wrote: =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 Votes must be received

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:38:55PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Attached below is the draft ballot for this proceedural vote. Please send comments to myself 24h before voting opens. You have a total of 3 times proceedural instead

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:56:48PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Neil McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.10.27.2028 +0100]: [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided I don't

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:10:54AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:58:19AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-31 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, as per 4.2.2

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-11-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 09:28:17AM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: Hi Peter, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, so I am thinking of

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-11-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 05:09:14PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 09:28:17AM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: Hi Peter, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I really dislike the negative

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-11-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 06:35:14PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 Votes must

Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: new proposal

2008-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:21:21PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: ,[ Proposal 5: allow Lenny to release with firmware blobs ] | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software | community (Social Contract #4); | | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of

Re: Debian membership GR: intend to call for a vote soon.

2008-11-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:22:14PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:11:27PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: I therefore invite the people who like it to sponsor it by the end of the week. Can you/someone give a msgid/url to that proposal please?! Message-Id:

Re: For our own good: splitting the vote. Thoughts?

2008-11-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 01:23:42PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On the contrary. It is excess of overlapping options that prompt for strategic voting. For example, if I don't care much between option A and option B, but prefer either of them to option C So, your opinion would be ABC 112

Re: For our own good: splitting the vote. Thoughts?

2008-11-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 04:50:14PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:56:06AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 01:23:42PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On the contrary. It is excess of overlapping options that prompt for strategic voting

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 01:17:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Given that no GR has been passed to specifically override the release team decision, I think it's fairly clear that a vote of further discussion would leave the decision with the previous decision-making body, in this case the

Re: Vote pages up

2008-11-24 Thread Neil McGovern
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Vote 002 voting period

2008-12-02 Thread Neil McGovern
Hello DPL, 'General Resolution: Project membership procedures' has been called to vote. Due to the previous perceived urgency of this I ask you to shorten the voting period to one week as per 4.2.3 of our constitution. Many thanks, Neil McGovern -- No matter whether you use charcoal or pine

Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi all, Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply ASAP. Thanks, Neil == Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Thursday, 4th Dec 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on

Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 03:01:36PM -0600, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: [ ] Choice 1: Ask the DAMs to postpone the changes until vote or concensus. [ ] Choice 2: Invite the DAM to further discuss until vote or concensus

Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:44:32AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : Hi all, Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply ASAP. Hi Neil The vote page has three mutually exclusive texts

First call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-07 Thread Neil McGovern
Apologies for the delay in the start of this vote, it's the first time that devotee has been used by a different user, and some last minute bugs appeared. So, without further ado: This is the first call for votes for vote_002: General Resolution: Project membership procedures. Note that voting

Re: First call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 08:09:33PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: First and last call for vote since it is only one week... So please, send a reminder in thursday/friday. Will do. Neil -- Erik_J good day! i hear this might be a good place to get some technical advice when one is

Re: First call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 08:35:49PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: In the future, it would be wonderful to have the short summaries used in the ballot reported in the vote page, possibly as titles of the various sections. Added, should appear after the propogation delay. Neil -- automake:

Re: First call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 06:33:15PM -0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: Choice 1 - Amendment A Choice 2 - Main Resolution Choice 3 - Amendment B Until the webpages update, I can confirm that this reading of the options is correct. Neil -- * toresbe wonders what would happen if Ted Walther and

Final call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-12 Thread Neil McGovern
With approximately 60 hours remaining, 142 people have voted, out of a potential 1018. This is somewhat of an record for low participation. Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Monday 8th Dec 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday,14th Dec 2008 Please note

Re: Final call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:34:09PM +0100, Ludovic Rousseau wrote: Neil McGovern a écrit : With approximately 60 hours remaining, 142 people have voted, out of a potential 1018. This is somewhat of an record for low participation. I voted 2 days ago (Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:12:55 +0100) but did

Re: Final call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 09:26:08AM +1100, Craig Small wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:57:06AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: With approximately 60 hours remaining, 142 people have voted, out of a potential 1018. This is somewhat of an record for low participation. Probably because noone

Re: No acknowledgement received for vote on Lenny release GR

2008-12-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:15:28AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Could someone please check why I've not received any acknowledgement of my vote? Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:23:56 +0100 Message-Id: 200812141224.06403.elen...@planet.nl Looks like the multi-user multi-voterunners multi-votes bug.

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:13:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es writes: What does §4.1.7 mean, then? Can't it be read to mean that the DPL may appoint a new Secretary not at end of term, if there's disagreement between them? I believe this only applies

Re: Results for Project membership procedures

2008-12-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:34:41PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Hmm, I have the ballot (3341) that I sent in on Dec 14th right here. I have logs indicating it got to master[1] half an hour before deadline. I see I got an ACK for the other ballot, sent at the same time, but not for this one. snip

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:50:52AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Other potential usages of Debian moneys are bounties, to which I'm not opposed in principle. However, they should obey to very specific rules. The first one is that no one already contributing to Debian should be authorized to

Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, Thanks for bringing this GR. I'd like to propose an amendment: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:53:02PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: The first GR was passed in June 2003 and there were 804 developers. The last GR was passed in November 2008 and there were 1018 developers. Actually, to be fair, the first vote was 1999, with 357 developers. Neil -- vorlon We

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:59:34AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: That's a fair question, but AUIU, it is not up to the proposer, having already proposed, to decide when the vote gets called. It's up to the proposer or any of the seconders to do so. Neil -- pixie hermanr_: I never studied german

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:14:10AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Forking devotee at this point seems to serve little purpose, given that upstream is not hostile. Given that the secretary team haven't heared of these patches (AFAIK), the mention of 'forking' is a bit of a

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:56:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The whole vote is to come up with a recommendation for the decision makers And should the decision makers not follow that recommendation, the flamewars will truely begin. The format and phrasing of this is: The Debian

Re: Question for Charles Plessy (was: No answer for insulting and accusatory emails.)

2010-03-24 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:36:05AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Lastly, for the meaning of ‘accusatory’, perhaps I could have found a better word? But I am not a native speaker. What I mean is that if in one message, somebody writes ‘you want this [bad thing]’ or ‘you did not do that [good

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:45:46PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:10:23PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: At the risk of repeating myself (I already said it in an answer to Charles' GR proposal), these core values are also what all DDs agreed to abide by. If Charles doesn't

Re: Question for the other candidates: supermajority.

2010-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 05:16:33PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: That not withstanding, there is still a legitimate point here. What happens when an amendment is proposed which has different majority requirements to the others? What happens when the secretary and the proposer disagree about

Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

2010-10-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 08:47:49PM +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Neil McGovern wrote: In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make are 1 or 2). Please make

Re: Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

2010-10-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 03:25:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Neil McGovern n...@halon.org.uk writes: Yes, it would. And so would expecting people to read the mail. Given that there were a number (28?) sent before voting peoriod started, I'm not convinced that people will actually do

Second Call for Votes - GR: Debian project members

2010-10-10 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, This is a second call for votes for GR: Debian project members The timeline is: Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Tuesday, 5th Oct 2010 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Monday, 18th Oct 2010 The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution on Project's

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:13:38AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: But I've learned that we need to communicate this a whole lot better. Ideas how ... would be best directed to debian-project :) Neil -- A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? gpg key -

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:00:12PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Also, I think the CoC is wrong in making policy about who to send replies to. Some people actually prefer getting replies, while others don't. Since there's a header that nicely allows you to specify just that, I think a more

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:50:59AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Is there any other policies that you disagree with, No. and would you be looking to change any of these as DPL? Not without first trying to achieve consensus. I'm slightly confused by my being copied in to your reply

Re: The other diversity statement

2012-11-26 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:58:04AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: I really should not be writing this. I should be sleeping. I have to get up for work in less than six hours. But I *really* would love to know a DD vote outcome on something like the below text, though written with less sarcasm,

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2013: Call for nominations

2013-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 11:02:06AM +, Moray Allan wrote: I nominate myself as a prospective DPL for the 2013 election. Thanks, received and is a valid nomination. Neil (as Assistant Secretary) signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2013: Call for nominations

2013-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 09:44:32AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx secret...@debian.org writes: Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to) debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed. *clears throat* I hereby nominate myself as a

Re: Debian's relationship with money and the economy

2013-03-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 08:13:02PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I think I would generally be fine about an informational message in Debian Project News about an fundraising campaign for something that clearly benefits Debian. Btw, in the specific example of your book, have you considered

Re: leader2013

2013-04-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 07:09:50PM +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote: Assuming Debian keyring refers to the package debian-keyring (which should be a reasonable safe assumption, right?) This assumption is incorrect: the Debian keyring is defined by devotee for the leader2013 vote as: cat

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 03:56:29PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I don't think our constitution allows a resolution of the TC to change how §4.1.4 has to be interpreted for a GR overriding it[0]. It would certainly need to be checked with the secretary (CC'ed, just in case). That

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 09:21:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit : I agree. I think that would be quite bad. We could explicitly state in our TC resolution that the TC decision can be

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 05:11:17PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Ian - any thoughts on if your tech-ctte constitution GR could address this? You mean my TC resolution draft. Nope, I meant your supermajorty etc draft. Snipping the rest, as that seems to be something for tech-ctte, rather than

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Wouter, Thanks for all your work on helping bring this together so far, but I think this ballot is troubling on a number of reasons. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its

Re: Debian's custom use of Condorcet and later-no-harm

2014-02-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 04:50:47PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: In my proposal, the casting voter gets to choose between A and B and there less incentive to manipulate the system by voting FD. I'm just wondering, what was the purpose behind treating FD as a special case in the first place? Could

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-01 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Matthew, On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:45:01PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: Degraded operation with some init systems is tolerable, so long as the degradation is no worse than what the Debian project would consider a tolerable (non-RC) bug even if it were affecting all users. So the

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On 2 Mar 2014, at 13:36, Michael Banck mba...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 11:17:12AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: I'm very wary about passing resolutions which require work from future persons unidentified. Presumeably it would need a person who is a) keen on the desktop system

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-05 Thread Neil McGovern
Seconded, but I'd also like a couple of amendments which I'll add in another mail. Neil On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:53:48PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Seconded, but I'd also like a couple of amendments which I'll add in another mail. And here's those amendments. Amendment A - move mailing list CoC text to further reading Justification: I think that it's better to keep the CoC

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 11:23:48AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 06:05:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Amendment B - Updates to the CoC should be via developers as a whole Justification - I believe that this document should have the strength of being a whole

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Hi all, This is to propose a general resolution under §4.1.5 of the constitution to propose a Debian code of conduct. So I've put up a vote page with my

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:37:41PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: == 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of communication within

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:19:56PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Kurt Roeckx writes (Re: GR proposal: code of conduct): Wouter, are you going to accept Neil's amendment, or should I create 2 options? Wouter, please don't accept Neil's second amendment (the one disallowing modification by the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-08 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Wouter, On 8 Mar 2014, at 01:21, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 06:05:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Amendment A - move mailing list CoC text to further reading After some consideration, I accept this amendment. Thank you very much :) Amendment B

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2014: Call for nominations

2014-03-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 06:47:24PM +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to) debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed. Hi Kurt, I hereby nominate myself as a candidate for the 2014 DPL election. Dear DSA, until the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 02:20:11PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:12:33AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * Wouter Verhelst (wou...@debian.org) [140308 02:21]: So rather than accepting this amendment, I propose that we modify paragraph 3 read as follows, instead:

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:19:07PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 09:03:19PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: ol liThe Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of communication within the

Re: All DPL candidates: level of team management

2014-03-12 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Lars, Thanks for kicking off the questions this year! On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 08:49:41PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: For all DPL candidates: We have a number of delegated teams. How detailed should the delegations be? I've written my view of the constitution in quite a detailed post

Re: All DPL candidates: Time dedicated to the project + team

2014-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Sylvestre, On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:58:07AM +0100, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: * Are you allowed by your employer to work during the week on DPL tasks or is it something that you are going to do on your free time? A bit of both. Collabora allows for a certain percentage of time to be spent

Re: All DPL candidates: level of team management [and 1 more messages]

2014-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 04:11:27PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Contrary to what Lars says, I think there is a clear difference between these two approaches. ISTM that Lucas is much more hands-on and (for example) and takes much more of a close interest in the processes adopted by teams, than

Re: Both DPL candidates: handling social conflict

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On 21 Mar 2014, at 14:42, Filippo Rusconi lopi...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:10:01PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:44:54PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: While I understand the question, I'm not sure this is very relevant. Yes, Debian is about

Re: Both DPL candidates: appropriate choice of dresswear for the DPL

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On 21 Mar 2014, at 14:37, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:27:11PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:44:54PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, Debian is not a cult. Indeed not. We are a clan. Which inspires my next question.

Re: All DPL candidates: Debian assets

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Hector, On 14 Mar 2014, at 13:25, Hector Oron zu...@debian.org wrote: Hello DPL candidates, First of all congratulations for your nominations. I have several questions for you, I hope you do not mind to reply: Thanks for your question, it’s good to see a DSA member engaging with the

Re: non-free?

2014-03-24 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Paul, On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 05:43:25PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: To the candidates, Which packages from Debian contrib/non-free do you use or have installed? On my laptop, I have: firmware-realtek, icc-profiles, intel-microcode, skype and steam from non-free, and flashplugin-nonfree,

Re: Debian Project Leader?

2014-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 02:23:30PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Please imagine a Debian without the DPL position. How would it be better, how would it be worse, how would things work differently, would it be desirable? Hi Paul, I think there's a couple of aspects to this, one from an external

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

2014-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Ana! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:21:20AM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: DebConf is one of the biggest expenses of Debian, every year we look for sponsorship and we had (and have) sponsors who were sponsoring DebConf as a way of giving their annual donation to Debian and not necessarily

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