Re: [DISCUSS] Make Avatica more discoverable

2019-10-21 Thread Julian Hyde
To be pedantic, a TLP (top-level project) is a project that reports directly to the Board and therefore is exactly the same as a PMC. It seems that suggestion that Avatica have a domain https://avatica.apache.org and be referred to as “Apache Avatica”, while

Re: [DISCUSS] Make Avatica more discoverable

2019-10-21 Thread Julian Feinauer
Hi, I agree with Julians view. And I also agree with initially starting with Avatica as separate TLP but not as a separate PMC (there are multiple Examples of PMCs that govern multiple Projects, like pointed out from Julian). JulianF Am 21.10.19, 03:19 schrieb "Julian Hyde" : In Apache,

Re: [DISCUSS] Make Avatica more discoverable

2019-10-20 Thread Julian Hyde
In Apache, a project (i.e. a PMC) is defined by a community, not by a piece of code. Is the Avatica community sufficiently separate from the Calcite community that it wants to govern itself? (In my opinion it is becoming more separate, but not there yet. I would like to hear what others

Re: [DISCUSS] Make Avatica more discoverable

2019-10-20 Thread Michael Mior
If we want Avatica to be truly independent, then yes, it would have to be it's own TLP with a separate PMC. (Avatica could not otherwise make releases and follow other processes without going through the Calcite PMC.) I think there are several other TLPs with less activity than Avatica, so I don't

Re: [DISCUSS] Make Avatica more discoverable

2019-10-20 Thread Francis Chuang
I think Michael and Julian's proposals are all good ideas. Regarding moving Avatica to an independent project, what is the process for doing so? Does this process turn it into a TLP with its own seperate PMC and PMC Chair? My only concern is that work on Avatica is not as active as Calcite

Re: [DISCUSS] Make Avatica more discoverable

2019-10-17 Thread Julian Hyde
Many people who are interested in Avatica are not interested in Calcite. (Yes the Board are interested in both, because they are interested in the communities, which overlap. But users of Avatica, not so much. And if people perceive that Avatica requires Calcite they might be less likely to

Re: [DISCUSS] Make Avatica more discoverable

2019-10-17 Thread Michael Mior
Since there's only one sub-project, why don't we convert the Sub-Projects section on the homepage into a short description of Avatica? -- Michael Mior mm...@apache.org Le jeu. 17 oct. 2019 à 06:19, Francis Chuang a écrit : > > This was one of the comments on the October Board report for Calcite:

[DISCUSS] Make Avatica more discoverable

2019-10-17 Thread Francis Chuang
This was one of the comments on the October Board report for Calcite: df: Great progress! About Avatica - I had to google to find the subproject as I did not see anything obvious on the Calcite site. I would also be good to provide more status on the subproject in your