Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Karlie Parks
sharon deer someone needs to take your temperature, Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Shawn, maybe, just maybe, the twitter-activists will spot this and descend on the ASF with vengeance, realizing that the Apache License (and all

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Karlie Parks
yes, you are just being naive shawn how insightful of you darling Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Shawn McKinney wrote: > On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Peter West wrote: > > The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Shawn, maybe, just maybe, the twitter-activists will spot this and descend on the ASF with vengeance, realizing that the Apache License (and all software that uses it) is sexist, racist and bigoted, since it doesn't prevent sexists, racists and other haters from using our software. And WE, the

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Ross Gardler
I say "don't feed the troll". Those who feel this is important should carry. Those with other views need not participate. Ross --- Twitter: @rgardler From: Shawn McKinney Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 7:45:43 PM To:

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Shawn McKinney
> On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Peter West wrote: > > The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants to put his or > her hand up. Talk about “diversity” is deeply divisive, and all of the BS > that accompanies it is the antithesis of freedom. It is the impulse

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Ted Dunning
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Peter West wrote: > The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants to put his > or her hand up. Talk about “diversity” is deeply divisive, and all of the > BS that accompanies it is the antithesis of freedom. It is the impulse of

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread George Percivall
Optimum software development is dependent upon requisite variety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_(cybernetics)#The_Law_of_Requisite_Variety (Starting with Ashby 1956 and onward) > On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:31

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Peter West
Ross, There are any number of ways to express your concerns about whatever, but the ASF is about voluntary software. Anyone can, and does write software that goes into ASF products. A big part of the attraction is the absence of all of the BS that accompanies working in larger companies in

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Ted Dunning
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Peter West wrote: > Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce > resources being devoted to it? Seriously. > These are volunteer resources. They are not your resources. They aren't the ASF's resources. Why does ASF

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Daniel Ruggeri
As with ANY organization, diversity is very important for all sorts of reasons. Diversity of thought challenges the status quo. Diversity of perspective encourages a different way of looking at things. Diversity of history and motivation brings together different REASONS to move forward.

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Dave Fisher
The ASF is a volunteer organization of individual people. Some volunteers choose to spend their efforts on how the ASF might make our communities better. This is the community development group and the correct place for individuals to "scratch that itch". This ought to be a safe conflict free

RE: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Ross Gardler
The ASF is a volunteer run organization. We have volunteers who care. They are volunteering their scarce resources to help address an issue that many (myself included) feel is important. You may disagree with the importance but since nobody requires or expects your participation that’s just

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Peter West
Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce resources being devoted to it? Seriously. — Peter West p...@pbw.id.au “I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” > On 19 Dec 2016, at 11:36 pm, Sharan F wrote: > > Hello

Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-19 Thread Sharan F
Hello Everyone A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect this information and see what it tells us about our committer

AW: Who at Apache is participating through their disability? (Was: Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache)

2016-12-19 Thread Matthias Heinze
Gesendet von meinem Windows 10 Phone Von: William A Rowe Jr Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Dezember 2016 08:12 An: ComDev Betreff: Who at Apache is participating through their disability? (Was: Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are

Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

2016-12-19 Thread Matthew Sacks
+1 On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:38 AM Shane Curcuru wrote: > For those who don't read opensource.com, there was a great overview > > article on some of the diversity programs at other open source groups: > > > >