Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-13 Thread Phil Steitz
Thanks, Rich. I hope others will jump in and improve the use cases, ideally illustrated with some publicly viewable links or summaries by people like @Niclas Hedhman and @Ted Dunning who have helped communities through challenges in the past. Phil On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 6:54 AM Rich Bowen

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-13 Thread Rich Bowen
Thanks, Phil. Patches applied. This is all good stuff. — Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com > On Feb 12, 2024, at 5:21 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > > Sorry, last message got away from me. The point of the use cases is to get > a rough consensus of the kinds of things that a Sharpener will work on.

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-12 Thread Phil Steitz
Sorry, last message got away from me. The point of the use cases is to get a rough consensus of the kinds of things that a Sharpener will work on. Ideally, these get a) fixed / better organized and b) fleshed out with useful links, suggestions and scope of engagement statements. So for example,

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-12 Thread Phil Steitz
OK, I added a brain dump on the use cases. This is in the spirit of "good ideas, bad code" ;) Phil On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 2:06 PM Phil Steitz wrote: > I just added a patch to the readme and to add me to the members list. > Perfectly OK if the patch is rejected. I can see both sides of this.

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-12 Thread Phil Steitz
I just added a patch to the readme and to add me to the members list. Perfectly OK if the patch is rejected. I can see both sides of this. I just want to be very careful not to encourage too much private discussion and "community adjustment" happening without visibility or input of community

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-12 Thread Rich Bowen
> On Feb 12, 2024, at 10:57 AM, tison wrote: > > Thank you for starting this discussion, Rich. > > I'm trying to get the points of this WG: > > 1. This WG is NOT a new office to "shepherd" TLPs, but to write down > how any community member can help in sharpening an ASF project. > 2. For

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-12 Thread tison
Thank you for starting this discussion, Rich. I'm trying to get the points of this WG: 1. This WG is NOT a new office to "shepherd" TLPs, but to write down how any community member can help in sharpening an ASF project. 2. For applying any suggestions, the request is delegated to the Board,

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-12 Thread Rich Bowen
— Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com > On Feb 11, 2024, at 6:04 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > > I am working on a PR to take a stab at tweaking the wording. I am also > playing with some ideas around use cases - kinds of things sharpeners will > work on. I think it's really a good idea to get some

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-11 Thread Phil Steitz
On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 7:07 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > Yes that's probably a good improvement. My one concern is that one > shouldn't have to be a technical expert in the project to do this work, so > careful wording is necessary. > Agreed on the no need to be an expert on the code, but they will

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-10 Thread Rich Bowen
Yes that's probably a good improvement. My one concern is that one shouldn't have to be a technical expert in the project to do this work, so careful wording is necessary. Rich On Fri, Feb 9, 2024, 20:49 Phil Steitz wrote: > Thanks, Rich. I think we have been headed in this direction for some

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-09 Thread Phil Steitz
Thanks, Rich. I think we have been headed in this direction for some time now and something like this is needed. Many thanks for coming up with a concrete proposal. I have one suggestion for improvement, which is in part a problem statement. Instead of just subscribing to the private@ list, I

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-09 Thread Rich Bowen
> On Feb 9, 2024, at 11:33 AM, Christofer Dutz > wrote: > > Hi Rich, > > I love every line of it … the only thing I would possibly “fine tune” in the > text, would be to be a bit more explicit: > “You must not already be a member of the PMC.” -> “You must not already be a > member of the

AW: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-09 Thread Christofer Dutz
lks Datum: Freitag, 9. Februar 2024 um 17:02 An: dev@community.apache.org Betreff: Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners This is another great idea. You mentioned objections along the lines of "who are you to tell me what to do?" Most volunteers do better with some direction, rather th

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-09 Thread MJ Foulks
This is another great idea. You mentioned objections along the lines of "who are you to tell me what to do?" Most volunteers do better with some direction, rather than being told "just submit a PR" or "just contribute." Most volunteers, especially new volunteers such as myself, find that lack

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-09 Thread Rich Bowen
> On Feb 9, 2024, at 10:18 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > I like this proposal a lot, and would be happy to sharpen some pencil > mahogany cases, if allowed (unless this pun was so bad you have to decline my > offer). > > I do have one question, which is where this ... report bit > would go,

Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-09 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2/9/24 14:54, Rich Bowen wrote: Ok, this one probably requires a LOT of discussion, but it’s something I’ve been thinking about for more than a year, so if some of this seems like I’ve already wordsmithed it, that’s why. Projects go through the Incubator, learn how to Apache, and then they

[WG: Sharpeners] Proposed - Sharpeners

2024-02-09 Thread Rich Bowen
Ok, this one probably requires a LOT of discussion, but it’s something I’ve been thinking about for more than a year, so if some of this seems like I’ve already wordsmithed it, that’s why. Projects go through the Incubator, learn how to Apache, and then they move on. The membership changes.