Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-11-04 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:43:41 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a really interesting statement. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've always thought the whole point of JSF was visual components. Yet the statement above clearly indicates that JSF goes well beyond that charter, and

FacesClient Components [Was Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])]

2004-11-04 Thread dhay
Now that looks pretty cool! It's fee-based, though, right? Anyone taken a look at it? cheers, David |-+ | | Craig McClanahan | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | om | | |

Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-11-02 Thread Martin Cooper
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:00:41 -0700, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:30:22 -0600, Eddie Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless Martin is incorrect about the way JSF handles requests, I'm inclined to believe (despite the fact JSF will be a part of the next

JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-10-31 Thread Martin Cooper
I hear what you're saying, Craig. However, I still feel that JSF doesn't buy me much when building highly dynamic apps. Some points to consider: * Since one of the goals of such apps is to minimise the number of full page refreshes, relatively little of the app can be constructed using tools such

Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-10-31 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Martin, you make an interesting comment that I think ties into this discussion (loosely ;) ) that is worth mentioning... A lot of the tools us architects and developers use these days really only make sense in cases where you have a separation of activities in terms of page authors and

Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-10-31 Thread Eddie Bush
I haven't found much need to utilize scriplets since the JSTL came along. Indeed, I feel pages are much cleaner and a great deal more legible if taglibs are used. I rarely, if ever, use anything except the JSTL though. One notable exception is Struts' own taglibs. I make other exceptions from

Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-10-31 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:30:22 -0600, Eddie Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless Martin is incorrect about the way JSF handles requests, I'm inclined to believe (despite the fact JSF will be a part of the next specification) we might want to consider using something else under the covers in our