On 10/18/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm wondering if we shouldn't go in new direction to improve the
tags Looking at the freemarker templates, the ratio of Freemarker
code to HTML is probably 1.5, which leads me to wonder why we are using
a template language at all.
There is
Martin Cooper wrote:
Hmm, this is starting to look like it would if you used ECS:
http://jakarta.apache.org/ecs/index.html
Well, DOM is to SAX as ECS is to a TagHandler. While both are trying to
create HTML, ECS creates an object for every element, which is a lot to
maintain and takes more
THANK YOU DON.
You said it much better than I did.
Honestly, guys, the reaction here is a little... odd. I wanted to engage the
dialog of how we might address known issues. Unless you've used the Struts 2
tags, it probably is hard to provide any real constructive feedback on this
particular
I think perhaps we are getting too deep into the
solution when we
don't understand or agree upon the problem. The
purpose of the Struts
tags is to provide a shortcut to create simple and
complex output. The
tags are usable in Velocity, Freemarker, and JSP. It
does this by
On 10/18/06, Patrick Lightbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- JSP-like
- No scripplet support
- Fast
- Very lightweight
To me, the key features of Struts Tags are that they
0 Access framework state in a consistent and convenient way
and that they are
1 Available for templating technologies
On 10/18/06, Patrick Lightbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
THANK YOU DON.
You said it much better than I did.
Honestly, guys, the reaction here is a little... odd. I wanted to engage
the dialog of how we might address known issues. Unless you've used the
Struts 2 tags, it probably is hard to
On 10/18/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe not for you, but it is a big issue for me. I am not willing to have a
project as prominent as Struts rely on another project that has only a
single developer behind it. That puts us at risk if bugs are encountered and
are not promptly
On 10/18/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/18/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe not for you, but it is a big issue for me. I am not willing to
have a
project as prominent as Struts rely on another project that has only a
single developer behind it. That puts us at
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
On 10/18/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I dont' see the benefit of JXP yet myself, but this sort of thing
simply doesn't matter. It's open source, and if there's a problem,
we fork and apply the patch ourselves.
Sure, JXP
I'm wondering if we shouldn't go in new direction to improve the
tags Looking at the freemarker templates, the ratio of Freemarker
code to HTML is probably 1.5, which leads me to wonder why we are using
a template language at all.
Here is a design for tag libs that I've been mulling
From: Don Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]why we are using a template language at all.
My take on that was that the template language allowed more flexibility
at run-time and it allowed non-Java people to participate in custom
rendering of... uh... things.
It would be faster because all
On 10/18/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Suppose it was Spring we were talking about. You're saying that you'd be OK
with forking Spring and supporting it as part of Struts? Sure, JXP is on a
much smaller scale, but the principle is the same.
If the Spring group went insane, and we
Hi all,
This is thlee from JXP. It's glad to see some interest/disinterest in JXP.
Here are some facts that you might find useful:
1. JXP is created as a subproject and is used mainly in swingweb project to
render html representation of awt/swing components.
2. Since it is interpreted it
thlee,
Would you consider elevating JXP to a top-level project and in doing so,
bring JXP closer to the JSP spec (except for the areas that create a dependency
on a JSP/Servlet container)?
I personally see broad appeal for the project and that is why I started using
it. In my opinion,
Mike,
It certainly is a possibility.
For most part it is close to trivial, with the exception of taglib support,
which I think would require more changes to the infrastructure of JXP. Others
suchs as page extends etc doesn't really apply to JXP.
For now, I probably would add the simple
Great!
Does this include EL support? I will keep my eyes open for the next release.
Cheers,
Mike
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On 10/18/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm wondering if we shouldn't go in new direction to improve the
tags Looking at the freemarker templates, the ratio of Freemarker
code to HTML is probably 1.5, which leads me to wonder why we are using
a template language at all.
Here is a
On 10/16/06, Patrick Lightbody
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template language I
have been looking for
that is JSP-like, but has the advantages that
FreeMarker and Velocity
provide in that it can be loaded
On 10/17/06, Philip Luppens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/16/06, Patrick Lightbody
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template language I
have been looking for
that is JSP-like, but has the advantages that
On 10/17/06 4:19 AM, Philip Luppens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wouldn't go that far - the author (if it's indeed a one-man-show, couldn't
find it) is quite persistent (it's been around for more than 2 years). It's
not tied to the servlet api afaik (see the faq), and the lack of
On 10/17/06, Philip Luppens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/16/06, Patrick Lightbody
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template
language I
have been looking for
that is JSP-like, but has the
On 10/16/06, Patrick Lightbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template language I have been looking for that
is JSP-like, but has the advantages that FreeMarker and Velocity provide in
that it can be loaded from the
Hi Guys,
I am simply responding because we have been using JXP for about 7 months
now..
We are currently using JXP for our web component templates. It has worked out
fairly well. We actually started out using FreeMarker, but did not like the
idea of learning a new syntax just for
Non-developer here.
[snip]
So, if I copy them to my webapp root, and then
upgrade Struts versions I'll
need to manually update them?
Yes - but they tend to stay rather static and it's a simple matter of
extracting the jar and copying all theme directories. You only need to take
care if you
On 10/17/06 1:10 PM, Philip Luppens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes - but they tend to stay rather static and it's a simple matter of
extracting the jar and copying all theme directories. You only need to take
care if you are overriding templates already.
Which ought to be done by creating a
On 10/17/06 1:10 PM, Philip Luppens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes - but they tend to stay rather static and it's
a simple matter of
extracting the jar and copying all theme
directories. You only need to take
care if you are overriding templates already.
Which ought to be done by
On 10/17/06, Philip Luppens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/17/06, Philip Luppens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/16/06, Patrick Lightbody
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template
language I
If you don't want to learn anything new, why stop in the middle at
JXP? Just use java itself. Then there's no new syntax (we'll ignore
the fact that java syntax is still evolving...) and no new API (again
ignoring the fact that those change too) that can often take longer to
grok than a new
On 10/17/06, Philip Luppens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/17/06, Philip Luppens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/16/06, Patrick Lightbody
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at JXP:
http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the
On 10/17/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm still not impressed by a grand total of only 46 posts on JXP in almost 2
years.
At this point, what really matters is whether the code meets our needs
and whether the license can be changed. If the code did serve our
needs, a sole
I think perhaps we are getting too deep into the solution when we
don't understand or agree upon the problem. The purpose of the Struts
tags is to provide a shortcut to create simple and complex output. The
tags are usable in Velocity, Freemarker, and JSP. It does this by
delegating to an
Licensing appears to be a non-issue.
http://www.onemindsoft.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=70forum=4post_id=218#forumpost218
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Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template language I have been looking for that
is JSP-like, but has the advantages that FreeMarker and Velocity provide in
that it can be loaded from the classpath. I've wanted to select something like
this as the
Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template language I
have been looking for that is JSP-like, but has the
advantages that FreeMarker and Velocity provide in
that it can be loaded from the classpath. I've wanted
to select something like this as
On 10/16/06, Philip Luppens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd only vote for it if a) it indeed proves to be (significally) faster than
Freemarker and b) if
we can't fix the caching problem in Freemarker.
And if jxp is willing to change the license.
* http://jxp.sourceforge.net/license.html
The
On 10/16/06, Philip Luppens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
b) if we can't fix the caching problem in Freemarker.
Are we talking about this caching problem:
*
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.freemarker.user/2555/match=freemarker+performance+ww
Do we have a JIRA ticket open for the problem?
On 10/16/06, Philip Luppens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
b) if we can't fix the caching problem in
Freemarker.
Are we talking about this caching problem:
*
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.freemarker.use
r/2555/match=freemarker+performance+ww
Yes, that's the one. There were a
Hi guys,
I've go ahead and created an issue in Struts2 jira.
https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/WW-1473
rgds
Philip Luppens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/16/06, Philip Luppens
wrote:
b) if we can't fix the caching problem in
Freemarker.
Are we talking about this caching
On 10/16/06, Patrick Lightbody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template language I have been looking for
that is JSP-like, but has the advantages that FreeMarker and Velocity
provide in that it can be loaded from the
Wow, when it rains, it pours ;)
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On Oct 16, 2006, at 11:13 PM, Martin Cooper wrote:
On 10/16/06, Patrick Lightbody [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Take a look at JXP: http://jxp.sourceforge.net/
This might be very close to the template language I have been
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