Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-11-04 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:43:41 -0800, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a really interesting statement. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've always thought the whole point of JSF was visual components. Yet the statement above clearly indicates that JSF goes well beyond that charter, and

FacesClient Components [Was Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])]

2004-11-04 Thread dhay
Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting[was Re: Proposal: | |Javascript

Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]

2004-11-02 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
I started toying with this today... The first problem I found is that if you set the value of a form field to an object (i.e., theForm.myField.value = myObject;), you DON'T get it serialized as was indicated originally... You simply get the typical [Object] string. At least, this is the case

Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-11-02 Thread Martin Cooper
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:00:41 -0700, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:30:22 -0600, Eddie Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless Martin is incorrect about the way JSF handles requests, I'm inclined to believe (despite the fact JSF will be a part of the next

JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-10-31 Thread Martin Cooper
I hear what you're saying, Craig. However, I still feel that JSF doesn't buy me much when building highly dynamic apps. Some points to consider: * Since one of the goals of such apps is to minimise the number of full page refreshes, relatively little of the app can be constructed using tools such

Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-10-31 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Martin, you make an interesting comment that I think ties into this discussion (loosely ;) ) that is worth mentioning... A lot of the tools us architects and developers use these days really only make sense in cases where you have a separation of activities in terms of page authors and

Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-10-31 Thread Eddie Bush
, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]]) Martin, you make an interesting comment that I think ties into this discussion (loosely ;) ) that is worth mentioning... A lot of the tools

Re: JSF and highly dynamic apps (was Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]])

2004-10-31 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:30:22 -0600, Eddie Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless Martin is incorrect about the way JSF handles requests, I'm inclined to believe (despite the fact JSF will be a part of the next specification) we might want to consider using something else under the covers in our

Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]]

2004-10-30 Thread Martin Cooper
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:50:17 -0400, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to look at those links in a little more detail... At a glance I'm not sure they fulfill the same goal (although they look to be without a doubt very cool!)... I need to evaluate them more though to be sure.

Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]]

2004-10-30 Thread Martin Cooper
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:33:12 -0400, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Cooper wrote: The app you describe does sound a little more extreme than one might want, but I think it's a great illustration of what can be done with JavaScript on the client. The primary app I work

Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]

2004-10-29 Thread Ted Husted
That sounds great to me, Don. :) We already have Struts-Faces and Struts-Examples on the trunk. We might as well add Struts-BSF and Struts-Flow to the mix. Struts-BSF and Struts-Flow are not part of the core, so they would be not affected by a 1.2.x branch. -Ted. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:59:18

Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]]

2004-10-29 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Argh, posted to the wrong list! Well, in all honesty, this isn't something that was initiated by me, I've never had a thought of passing objects back and forth, so I'm not sure I can give you a real, concrete use case that would explain it. I certainly hear what your saying about XML. I

Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]]

2004-10-29 Thread Don Brown
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:52:49 -0400, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Argh, posted to the wrong list! Well, in all honesty, this isn't something that was initiated by me, I've never had a thought of passing objects back and forth, so I'm not sure I can give you a real, concrete use

Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]]

2004-10-29 Thread Don Brown
I'm personally fond of vcXMLRPC - http://www.vcdn.org/Public/XMLRPC/ - and have used it successfully in several projects, an ASP application and a Struts-based application. I've heard of others, but that one has been good to me as it works with IE 5.5+ and Mozilla 1.0+. This also seems to be a

Re: Struts-BSF, Struts-Scripting [was Re: Proposal: Javascript-to-Java object conversions]]]

2004-10-29 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
I need to look at those links in a little more detail... At a glance I'm not sure they fulfill the same goal (although they look to be without a doubt very cool!)... I need to evaluate them more though to be sure. I agree 100% with your comment about remote scripting... I think there was a big