Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Wolfgang Gehner
Ted, Another trigger might be a revolutionary change to the feature set. If we did everything that's already on the 1.3 to 1.5 roadmap, I could see going to 2.x then. To me chains.xml, decompose and adapt the request processor and ability to use Commands instead of Actions is a revolution.

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/1/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been a fan of the naming convention being introduced, and I've said so in the past. But, as Ted points out in another post, no one, including me, offered any better suggestions either, so it was just pointless whining. Let me

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Tue, November 1, 2005 11:02 am, Ted Husted said: To summarize, * Instead of having a Struts Classic distribution, we could have a struts-core-library distribution instead, that could also include other Core compatiblity extensions, like Struts Flow and Struts Scripting. If we did, then

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Tue, November 1, 2005 11:13 am, Michael Jouravlev said: Struts Core sounds like a kernel for all Struts subprojects, while AFAIK Shale and Ti do not depend on it. So, in a way this name is misleading. Not that I can suggest something better ;-) I think that's a fair point, although I think

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Wolfgang Gehner
So I guess Struts Core is not Core after all. If that's the case, too bad for all the good work in the request processor. Shale won't use it, and probably TI neither? Or is Shale the odd one out? If it is, I guess you could say Shale is weakening the stature of Struts. I understand, but I

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Martin Cooper
On 11/1/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, November 1, 2005 11:13 am, Michael Jouravlev said: Struts Core sounds like a kernel for all Struts subprojects, while AFAIK Shale and Ti do not depend on it. So, in a way this name is misleading. Not that I can suggest

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Niall Pemberton
On 11/1/05, Wolfgang Gehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I maintain that the new RequestProcessor and COR is not classic, but new. And that COR should be highlighted as such, new. I wouldn't agree with this, if you look at Struts evolution * In Struts 1.0 all the request processing was in

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Tue, November 1, 2005 12:36 pm, Martin Cooper said: At some point, we may need to distinguish more clearly between Struts, the ASF project, and Struts, the framework, and I think that's essentially what we're starting to see a need for in these threads. It's not really all that different

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 11/1/05, Wolfgang Gehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Shale won't use it, and probably TI neither? Or is Shale the odd one out? If it is, I guess you could say Shale is weakening the stature of Struts. FWIW, Shale's application controller uses exactly the same technology that the 1.3

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/1/05, Wolfgang Gehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Shale part part of the six original subprojects, and thus part of Struts Original? No, it is separate (but equal). I maintain that the new RequestProcessor and COR is not classic, but new. And that COR should be highlighted as such,

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/1/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first is simply the question of what is the name of the project at large? Is it still Apache Struts? And then everything else falls underneath it? Yes. It's unlikely that the project name would change, since, as Martin points out, it

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Wolfgang Gehner
Well, in a perfect world, Shale and TI they would depend on Core ;-) But who wants to create dependencies for dependency sake? You're correct, now of course we already have the struts-core (requestprocessor) subproject living next to shale, without dependency. So we don't really change much in

Re: Struts 1.3 release naming - Struts CORE

2005-11-01 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Tue, November 1, 2005 1:21 pm, Ted Husted said: That still allows you to have true sub-projects like Struts Ti, Struts I wasn't aware of the points you made about Validator Ted... are you saying that the Commons Validator has been altered in such a way that it can no longer be separated