Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-31 Thread James Mitchell
Is there a XWork User or Dev mailing list? I have only found [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- James Mitchell On Mar 30, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Ted Husted wrote: On 3/30/06, Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, I was refering to phase I really, whether the starting point is Webwork or Webwork + XWork.

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-31 Thread Rainer Hermanns
James, for xwork the same lists as for webwork are used... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] hth, Rainer Is there a XWork User or Dev mailing list? I have only found [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- James Mitchell On Mar 30, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Ted Husted wrote: On 3/30/06, Gabe [EMAIL

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-31 Thread James Mitchell
I sort of suspected that that was the case. For me, I don't use forums (it's a pull vs push thing) and strangely, the ww traffic doesn't seem to be coming to our dev list anymore (at least I thought it used to). Something must have happened when I wasn't looking. -- James Mitchell

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Eric Molitor
This may be a dumb suggestion but why not implement a lightweight action class that's in StrutsAction and then if a user chooses they can use the full support of XWork. I'm not sure where you draw the line (you'd probably want validation) but I cant see why you couldn't implement a few of the

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Don Brown
On what framework would this solution you are describing run? Are you talking about running Struts 1.x actions inside Action 2? If so, that is something that has been started in the sandbox, but not fully developed. I'd like to hear more. Don Eric Molitor wrote: This may be a dumb

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Joe Germuska
At 8:55 AM -0800 3/30/06, Don Brown wrote: Are you talking about running Struts 1.x actions inside Action 2? If so, that is something that has been started in the sandbox, but not fully developed. I'd like to hear more. Don: where is this, exactly? and if you have the time, what's the

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Don Brown
The code is in sandbox/ti/phase1/jars/legacy I believe, although I recently started moving it to sandbox/action2/legacy, but got stuck trying to make a Maven 2 build work. The code is still in an exploratory stage, but there is conversion code to turn Action 2 objects into Action 1

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Eric Molitor
Well what I've been toying with is two things the first isn't directly related but might be of interest. At the SpringExperience there were some discussions about integrating SpringWebflow into webwork and I started playing with some code. What I ended up with was a weird WebFlowAction that could

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Don Brown
Sure, a custom ActionInvocation instance could even invoke a Struts Action as is. The question is how you handle ActionForms. Do you implement the Struts request processing chain as Interceptors? Add an Interceptor that calls a chain? Action 2 already has the DefaultWorkflowInterceptor which

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Joe Germuska
At 11:07 AM -0800 3/30/06, Don Brown wrote: Sure, a custom ActionInvocation instance could even invoke a Struts Action as is. The question is how you handle ActionForms. Do you implement the Struts request processing chain as Interceptors? Add an Interceptor that calls a chain? Action 2

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Ted Husted
On 3/30/06, Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, I was refering to phase I really, whether the starting point is Webwork or Webwork + XWork. I think Don is saying that it would be helpful to see a concrete proposal from the XWork developers that outlines what they would like to do. Once the

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-30 Thread Don Brown
wanted, so I was free to try new ideas much quicker. Don Thanks, Gabe - Original Message From: Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List dev@struts.apache.org Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:22:01 AM Subject: Re: [Struts Ti] XWork? Gabe wrote: I wanted to answer these two

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Gabe
Message From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List dev@struts.apache.org Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:22:47 PM Subject: Re: [Struts Ti] XWork? On 3/25/06, Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure I could come up with more reasons, but this is a good start to this discussion

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
@struts.apache.org Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:22:47 PM Subject: Re: [Struts Ti] XWork? On 3/25/06, Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure I could come up with more reasons, but this is a good start to this discussion. I don't think anyone would have a problem with this, Gabe. It's just a matter

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Jeff Turner
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 06:03:56PM -0800, Gabe wrote: I wanted to answer these two comments by Ted. Whether to bring XWork is a very important decision to make ASAP, because it is about how we define Struts Action 2.0. Struts Action 2.0 = Webwork - or - Struts Action 2.0 = Webwork

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 3/25/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/25/06, Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure I could come up with more reasons, but this is a good start to this discussion. I don't think anyone would have a problem with this, Gabe. It's just a matter of whether we need to bring XWork

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Don Brown
weigh in on the XWork issue, I want to quickly make the point that this equation is incorrect. The original vision of Struts Action 2.0 started as Struts Ti. It was a collaboration of Beehive, WebWork, and Struts folks looking to write a simplified, Action 2 framework that leveraged

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
in on the XWork issue, I want to quickly make the point that this equation is incorrect. The original vision of Struts Action 2.0 started as Struts Ti. It was a collaboration of Beehive, WebWork, and Struts folks looking to write a simplified, Action 2 framework that leveraged the strengths of each

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Ted Husted
On 3/30/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted threw out the idea to WebWork for their team to merge forces and work on Ti Well, Patrick mentioned in the Web alignment group that WebWork would like to join forces with another project, and we went from there. We discussed with Jason and

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Ted Husted
I think we're all still working off the original proposal. * http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsTi Don is simply referring to phase 2, while most of us are still focused on phase 1. -Ted. On 3/30/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, I think this is totally at odds with a lot

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
That's exactly what I had in mind, thanks for the reference. I see the source of the confusion (phase I vs. II as you say). At least now I can point people that ask me to the right place :) Frank Ted Husted wrote: I think we're all still working off the original proposal. *

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-29 Thread Don Brown
To add to that, Patrick and I were collaborating on phase 2 type features before we even thought of merging projects. After that brainstorming session, I started talking to Patrick about one of the ideas that came out of the conversion, like devMode, and Patrick implemented it in WebWork. He

[Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-25 Thread Gabe
XWork should be moved over with Webwork to Apache and be merged as part of Struts Ti. I am in favor of XWork being merged with Webwork and it all being part of Struts Ti, where perhaps there are two jar files and two package roots, say strutsti.web and strutsti.core, for example. My reasons

Re: [Struts Ti] XWork?

2006-03-25 Thread Ted Husted
On 3/25/06, Gabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure I could come up with more reasons, but this is a good start to this discussion. I don't think anyone would have a problem with this, Gabe. It's just a matter of whether we need to bring XWork and WebWork through simultaneously, or whether we

Re: [PROPOSAL] Revised: Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0, leave Ti to explore original goals

2005-12-22 Thread Ted Husted
* Pass WebWork 2.3-Dev through the incubator and into the Struts repository Actually, all we have do is make a snapshot available for review, which I expect can be a tarball at Open Symphony. So, if the codebase is kosher, we can file the checklist, and bring the codebase directly into the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Revised: Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0, leave Ti to explore original goals

2005-12-22 Thread Martin Cooper
On 12/22/05, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Pass WebWork 2.3-Dev through the incubator and into the Struts repository Actually, all we have do is make a snapshot available for review, which I expect can be a tarball at Open Symphony. It would probably be a good idea to bring in the

[PROPOSAL] Rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, keep Ti as code name

2005-12-21 Thread Don Brown
As we discovered further at ApacheCon this year, there is a lot of confusion as to what Struts is and where it is going. The story that I think we are all in agreement is Struts has two separate but equal frameworks - Action and Shale. To avoid further confusion, I propose we rename Struts

Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, keep Ti as code name

2005-12-21 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
for something else, then simply call THAT something else Struts 2.0. The WebWork merger, Struts Ti as I understand it, is the future of Action at this point, right? It's no longer a proposal, is it? -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http

Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, keep Ti as code name

2005-12-21 Thread Joe Germuska
further confusion, I propose we rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, while keeping the Ti as the code name. I think we should be clear that Ti is not some third framework, but a candidate for Action 2.0. This proposal involves: - Renaming the package from org.apache.ti

Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, keep Ti as code name

2005-12-21 Thread Don Brown
, there is a lot of confusion as to what Struts is and where it is going. The story that I think we are all in agreement is Struts has two separate but equal frameworks - Action and Shale. To avoid further confusion, I propose we rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, while keeping the Ti

Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, keep Ti as code name

2005-12-21 Thread Craig McClanahan
but equal frameworks - Action and Shale. To avoid further confusion, I propose we rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, while keeping the Ti as the code name. I think we should be clear that Ti is not some third framework, but a candidate for Action 2.0. This proposal involves

Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename Struts Ti to Struts Action 2.0 Proposal, keep Ti as code name

2005-12-21 Thread Joe Germuska
At 12:10 PM -0800 12/21/05, Don Brown wrote: The package name follows the Shale and really Jakarta convention where the TLP (Struts and Jakarta respectively) isn't included in the package name. As for there being one true Struts 2.0, I believe that idea has gone by the wayside. It might be

[PROPOSAL] Revised: Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0, leave Ti to explore original goals

2005-12-21 Thread Don Brown
Thank you everyone for your quick feedback. Based on the various comments and discussions, I'd like to revise my proposal: 1. Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0 - Will contain WebWork, Struts migration tools, commons-chain integration, and other small improvements 2. Leave Ti

Re: [PROPOSAL] Revised: Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0, leave Ti to explore original goals

2005-12-21 Thread Patrick Lightbody
shun the name Ti. Instead, we agree to make what was Struts Ti phase 1 effectively Struts Action 2.0. This is no different from what Don is suggesting. On top of that I recommend we agree that Struts Ti phase 2 (flow, annotation, Rails-style development, etc) be henceforth known as Struts Action 2.x

Re: [PROPOSAL] Revised: Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0, leave Ti to explore original goals

2005-12-21 Thread Martin Cooper
Beehive integration, and I think we'll most likely want to pull pieces of that into Action 2.0 as we go along. Instead, we agree to make what was Struts Ti phase 1 effectively Struts Action 2.0. This is no different from what Don is suggesting. On top of that I recommend we agree that Struts Ti

Re: [PROPOSAL] Revised: Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0, leave Ti to explore original goals

2005-12-21 Thread Craig McClanahan
and Struts Action, right?), I propose that from this day forth we shun the name Ti. Instead, we agree to make what was Struts Ti phase 1 effectively Struts Action 2.0. This is no different from what Don is suggesting. On top of that I recommend we agree that Struts Ti phase 2 (flow, annotation, Rails

Re: [PROPOSAL] Revised: Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0, leave Ti to explore original goals

2005-12-21 Thread Michael Jouravlev
I thought that you guys wanted simply to rename WebWork 2.x to Struts 2.0 (along with package renaming), and to add stuff from Ti later in the mix. I guess I got it all wrong ;-) Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [PROPOSAL] Revised: Rename Struts Ti phase 1 to Struts Action 2.0, leave Ti to explore original goals

2005-12-21 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Cool. Yeah, I'm not suggesting we don't have a sandbox or anything, I just want us to get the phrase Struts Ti out of the mouths of people outside of the development community. Sounds like we're all in agreement. On 12/21/05, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/21/05, Patrick

Re: Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-06 Thread James Mitchell
Yes, that is what I hope to achieve shortly. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx Yahoo: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: callto://jmitchtx On Sep

Re: Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-05 Thread James Mitchell
Sounds good to me. I have a plan for how I'll instrument the build to be 1.4/1.5 aware and behave accordingly. I just haven't put it down in bits yet ;) I hope to get to that soon though since it seems to be holding up some of the other tasks I'm on. Thanks -- James Mitchell Software

Re: Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-05 Thread Rich Feit
This means that if you're running 1.4 you can still do a build from the root? Nice! :) James Mitchell wrote: Sounds good to me. I have a plan for how I'll instrument the build to be 1.4/1.5 aware and behave accordingly. I just haven't put it down in bits yet ;) I hope to get to that

Re: Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-02 Thread James Mitchell
That's what I'd like to make sure we understand and document. I'll have some time later today, so I'll put together a proposal for said 'build documentation', which will likely be the beginnings of the Maven docs. Probably ought to keep on the wiki for now though. -- James Mitchell

Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-01 Thread Rich Feit
Hi all, I've added a patch (http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36454) for a sample that demonstrates using JSF as the view layer for a Ti app. It's a straight port of the Beehive/JSF sample. It doesn't necessarily show off JSF (or JSF best practices), but it does demonstrate

Re: Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-01 Thread James Mitchell
I think it would be a good idea for us to discuss and decide on the layout and build processes. The build process needs to be documented end to end. We should identify the artifacts created, when and why it is created. More than the simple comments that I put in maven.xml. I will

Re: Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-01 Thread Rich Feit
First, I just want to mention that I've never been involved in a project where anyone's given so much thought/attention to the build from the ground up. Thank you -- it's a pleasure! Much nicer than rewriting the build a few months down the road. I definitely support getting nightlies out

Re: Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-01 Thread James Mitchell
My plan would be to publish the nightlies here: http://svn.apache.org/builds/struts/maven/trunk/nightly/struts-sandbox/ ...under a new directory 'ti' Does that sound ok? -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc.

Re: Struts Ti / JSF sample

2005-09-01 Thread Rich Feit
Sounds good from my point of view. :) As to a structure for the distribution, would it simply be something like: docs lib samples java5 java1.4 tools README, etc. ? Rich James Mitchell wrote: My plan would be to publish the nightlies here:

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Germuska
My design preference for things like this (as is playing out in Struts 1.3) is to define a single scoped bean which can contain any references like this, so as to sharply minimize the need for constants like this. If you do that, then you're down to a single constant to use to retrieve that

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-31 Thread Ted Husted
, we have talked about including some sort of DAO framework for a starter's kit or something along those lines. That'd probably include a simple SQL mapping framework, Derby or HSQL, and perhaps Middlegen. However, those would only be included in this kit, and not part of Struts Ti core

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Ted Husted
On 8/31/05, Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My design preference for things like this (as is playing out in Struts 1.3) is to define a single scoped bean which can contain any references like this, so as to sharply minimize the need for constants like this. If you do that, then you're

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Germuska
At 9:40 AM -0400 8/31/05, Ted Husted wrote: On 8/31/05, Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My design preference for things like this (as is playing out in Struts 1.3) is to define a single scoped bean which can contain any references like this, so as to sharply minimize the need for

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Rich Feit
I actually agree that a single bean is better than a lot of separate values under various keys. In Beehive we put most of our request-scoped values onto a request wrapper -- this turned out to have better performance than doing the attribute lookup all over the place. But it's a similar

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 8/31/05, Rich Feit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually agree that a single bean is better than a lot of separate values under various keys. In Beehive we put most of our request-scoped values onto a request wrapper -- this turned out to have better performance than doing the attribute

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Don Brown
Craig McClanahan wrote: On 8/31/05, Rich Feit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually agree that a single bean is better than a lot of separate values under various keys. In Beehive we put most of our request-scoped values onto a request wrapper -- this turned out to have better performance than

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-31 Thread Don Brown
Ted Husted wrote: I'd suggest showing how to hook up to iBATIS or HIbernate in an example application, and then deciding if TI needs to create yet-another DAO framework. Many iBATIS user s have stopped using the iBATIS DAO framework, since they find using a dependency-injection framework,

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Rich Feit
Craig McClanahan wrote: On 8/31/05, Rich Feit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually agree that a single bean is better than a lot of separate values under various keys. In Beehive we put most of our request-scoped values onto a request wrapper -- this turned out to have better performance

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread netsql
Passing in a context CoR style lets it be used in other contexts, not planed for originaly, and lets you make chains not designed for. .V Don Brown wrote: Still, I'm not convinced everything can/should fall under one Context. For example, XWork has a ValidationContext which I think we

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Rich Feit
Don Brown wrote: Craig McClanahan wrote: On 8/31/05, Rich Feit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually agree that a single bean is better than a lot of separate values under various keys. In Beehive we put most of our request-scoped values onto a request wrapper -- this turned out to have

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-31 Thread Ted Husted
On 8/31/05, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might also be interested in the Spring and Chain integration piece I wrote for Ti. We just load the Commands and Chains with Spring, along with everything else, and don't bother with a separate catalog. It started out ugly, but if you

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-31 Thread Ted Husted
(Mouse slipped) On 8/31/05, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We also do things like create base data-access commands that know how to run iBATIS -Ted. We also do things like create base data-access commands that know how to run iBATIS queries. If a data-access command object

Spring and Chain (was Struts Ti doubt)

2005-08-31 Thread Don Brown
Hmm...I like the idea of combining the configurations from a maintenance point of view, but on the other hand, the flow chain can get lost, particularly when the number of commands are in a minority. Separating also has the benefit, in our case anyways, of having the chain stay generic, but

Spring and Chain (was Struts Ti doubt)

2005-08-31 Thread Don Brown
Very interesting. Do you have any examples/tutorials of this anywhere accessible? Don Ted Husted wrote: (Mouse slipped) On 8/31/05, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We also do things like create base data-access commands that know how to run iBATIS -Ted. We also do things like

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 8/31/05, Rich Feit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using JSF is actually what convinced me that having the context on ThreadLocal is a great thing. It really cleans up the APIs. (Nice job BTW :) ). Our ActionContext will give us something similar... but I do wonder about internal attributes --

Re: Spring and Chain (was Struts Ti doubt)

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Germuska
about this concept is at http://www.springframework.org/docs/api/org/springframework/beans/factory/access/SingletonBeanFactoryLocator.html) If Struts Ti used this with a servlet init parameter whose name was the root BeanFactory, then a user could add his own beanRefFactory.xml file in /WEB-INF

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-31 Thread Rich Feit
Craig McClanahan wrote: On 8/31/05, Rich Feit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using JSF is actually what convinced me that having the context on ThreadLocal is a great thing. It really cleans up the APIs. (Nice job BTW :) ). Our ActionContext will give us something similar... but I do wonder

Re: Spring and Chain (was Struts Ti doubt)

2005-08-31 Thread Don Brown
a mixture of struts-specified along with user-specified configuration with a minimum of headache. (The most documentation I've found about this concept is at http://www.springframework.org/docs/api/org/springframework/beans/factory/access/SingletonBeanFactoryLocator.html) If Struts Ti used

Re: Spring and Chain (was Struts Ti doubt)

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Germuska
for using Spring as the message resolver, but I am finding it handy inside my own applications. Are there any places in Struts Ti where XWork's message facilities are being used? Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com Narrow minds are weapons made

Re: Spring and Chain (was Struts Ti doubt)

2005-08-31 Thread Don Brown
argue very hard for using Spring as the message resolver, but I am finding it handy inside my own applications. Are there any places in Struts Ti where XWork's message facilities are being used? Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com Narrow minds

Spring and XWork in Ti (was: Spring and Chain (was Struts Ti doubt))

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Germuska
currently have to bootstrap themselves. Until I see it, I won't argue very hard for using Spring as the message resolver, but I am finding it handy inside my own applications. Are there any places in Struts Ti where XWork's message facilities are being used? -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL

Re: Spring and Chain (was Struts Ti doubt)

2005-08-31 Thread Ted Husted
On 8/31/05, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting. Do you have any examples/tutorials of this anywhere accessible? That's where the OverDrive/Nexus stuff is going, but, lately, the volunteer hours have been going into Struts Classic :) I'm doing some major refactoring in

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-30 Thread James Mitchell
Another quick question. What is example application supposed to do? Is this supposed to be the beginnings of a mailreader? -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM:

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-30 Thread James Mitchell
s/mailreader/blank -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx Yahoo: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: callto://jmitchtx On Aug 30, 2005, at 2:10 AM, James

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-30 Thread Don Brown
Actually, you were right the first time. I've been working on one, but it hasn't been ready for public use, however, with the Beehive patch, I'll probably have to redo it anyways :) This should probably be put along side Rich's page flow examples. Don James Mitchell wrote:

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-30 Thread James Mitchell
Sounds good. The layout was hard to work with (example/WEB-INF/src/) so instead of fighting with Maven, I just added that to the excludes property (for now). I can work around the layout if that's a deal breaker, but rather than add the additional effort, it's just better use of our

[builds] Re: Struts Ti

2005-08-30 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Will you guys add Ti to nightly builds? just looked at svn.a.o and saw not archive there. Thanks, Matthias -Original Message- From: Rich Feit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:02 AM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Struts Ti Currently, you can

Re: Struts Ti (newbie)

2005-08-30 Thread James Mitchell
Can you give us some suggested reading tips (websites, articles, blogs) that will help the Ti newbie fill in the gaps on what Ti is all about? (beehive/webwork/xwork/???) -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc.

Re: [builds] Re: Struts Ti

2005-08-30 Thread James Mitchell
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:02 AM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Struts Ti Currently, you can cd into core and run 'maven jar' using Java 1.4. Building the entire project (including the 'java5' module) requires Java 5. Does that sound reasonable? The two

RE: [builds] Re: Struts Ti

2005-08-30 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
-Original Message- From: Rich Feit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:02 AM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Struts Ti Currently, you can cd into core and run 'maven jar' using Java 1.4. Building the entire project (including the 'java5' module

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-30 Thread Don Brown
James Mitchell wrote: Sounds good. The layout was hard to work with (example/WEB-INF/src/) so instead of fighting with Maven, I just added that to the excludes property (for now). I can work around the layout if that's a deal breaker, but rather than add the additional effort, it's just

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-30 Thread Martin Cooper
On 8/30/05, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good. The layout was hard to work with (example/WEB-INF/src/) so instead of fighting with Maven, I just added that to the excludes property (for now). I can work around the layout if that's a deal breaker, but rather than add the

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-30 Thread James Mitchell
No problem. I just need to be spoon fed right now since I don't grep ti yet. Thanks for putting up with all the newb questions. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM:

Re: Struts Ti - yes, again ;)

2005-08-30 Thread Rich Feit
It's transitional -- not necessarily for back-compat. I should have commented it as such. In Beehive, we were using these four constants that Struts defined for storing errors, exceptions, locale, etc. I think it's something we need to work out -- do we want to keep storing these things in

Re: Struts Ti (newbie)

2005-08-30 Thread Don Brown
Ok, I finished bringing over the wiki pages we used when first conceiving Struts Ti. Note, they are a reflection of past discussions and not necessarily the current direction or implementation. I think this wiki will provide a good starting point for writing down our current thoughts

Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread netsql
As per http://osteele.com/archives/2004/08/web-mvc I now think if a frameworks is client side rendering (Ajax, JDNC, ...) it can't be mixed w/ a server side rednering framework, you can be strong in one or the other (and then rig it for the other). -- thx, .V Broadband interface (RIA) +

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 8/29/05, netsql [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As per http://osteele.com/archives/2004/08/web-mvc I now think if a frameworks is client side rendering (Ajax, JDNC, ...) it can't be mixed w/ a server side rednering framework, you can be strong in one or the other (and then rig it for the other).

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread netsql
Well the article kind of says that only domain model/dao is on the server. And MVC is on the client. And that makes sense. So in your example, if the client requests the XML, then it's RiA. Your's might not be a good example. Ajax is a perfect example. Idea was that Ti would do

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread Martin Cooper
2. One of the goals with Struts Ti is to make it simple to implement server-side handling for rich applications, whether they use AJAX, AJAJ or whatever. We're not going to write the client side framework - that's what folks like the Dojo team do best - but we aim to provide the best means

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread Rich Feit
the first response to that article, labelled Marc's Voice. He gets much closer to the truth when he says The other thing to note about Model N is that the server side is very similar to Model 2. One of the goals with Struts Ti is to make it simple to implement server-side handling for rich

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread netsql
wrong. ;-) Check out the first response to that article, labelled Marc's Voice. He gets much closer to the truth when he says The other thing to note about Model N is that the server side is very similar to Model 2. One of the goals with Struts Ti is to make it simple to implement server-side

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread Martin Cooper
, and the decoding, dispatching and serialising are all things that a framework like Struts Ti can provide you with. -- Martin Cooper What else should be on the server? If UI (View) is on the client, C (controller has to be there). .V Martin Cooper wrote: That article does indeed indicate

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread netsql
that a framework like Struts Ti can provide you with. -- thx, .V Broadband interface (RIA) + mail box safety = Roomity.com http://roomity.com/demo.jsp *Your* clubs, no sign up to read, ad supported; try broadband internet. cell: 917 825 3035 in DFW email: netsql at roomity.com

Re: Struts Ti doubt

2005-08-29 Thread Don Brown
for a starter's kit or something along those lines. That'd probably include a simple SQL mapping framework, Derby or HSQL, and perhaps Middlegen. However, those would only be included in this kit, and not part of Struts Ti core, as we want to support multiple business and DAO strategies

Struts Ti

2005-08-29 Thread James Mitchell
Ok, so I'm working on the Maven build scripts, and I have a couple questions. * Why Ti? What does that mean? * Why is there a java5 dir? I see ti interface, but why not just put it under core? -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring /

Re: Struts Ti

2005-08-29 Thread James Mitchell
Ok, so other than requires 1.5 to build, and 1.4 to run via maven prop maven.compile.source=1.4, what else do I need to do? I guess what I'm trying to ask is, what do we want to support? - 1.5 required to: - build from svn checkout - build from nightly src distribution - build from

Re: Struts Ti

2005-08-29 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 8/29/05, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Why Ti? What does that mean? Titanium. I enjoy ultralight backpacking so titanium is near and dear to my heart as an incredibly strong, very lightweight material used in core gear that replaced much heavier counterparts - the struts of my

Re: Struts Ti

2005-08-29 Thread Don Brown
Craig McClanahan wrote: On 8/29/05, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Why Ti? What does that mean? Titanium. I enjoy ultralight backpacking so titanium is near and dear to my heart as an incredibly strong, very lightweight material used in core gear that replaced much heavier

Re: Struts Ti

2005-08-29 Thread Rich Feit
Currently, you can cd into core and run 'maven jar' using Java 1.4. Building the entire project (including the 'java5' module) requires Java 5. Does that sound reasonable? The two modules do currently build to separate jars. Currently the 'samples' module (webapp) is written against the

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-29 Thread Don Brown
Doesn't matter to me as long as it works :) Don James Mitchell wrote: Ok, I've hit a bit of a snag... In Maven-utopia, the project layout would support multiple JAR and WAR artifacts by nesting then 1 level deeper than we currently have them. So, we need: struts/sandbox/ti

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-29 Thread Rich Feit
Sounds great to me, actually. It's cleaner in general. Rich Don Brown wrote: Doesn't matter to me as long as it works :) Don James Mitchell wrote: Ok, I've hit a bit of a snag... In Maven-utopia, the project layout would support multiple JAR and WAR artifacts by nesting then 1 level

Re: Struts Ti (maven:reactor giving me fits)

2005-08-29 Thread Martin Cooper
Works for me too. -- Martin Cooper On 8/29/05, Rich Feit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds great to me, actually. It's cleaner in general. Rich Don Brown wrote: Doesn't matter to me as long as it works :) Don James Mitchell wrote: Ok, I've hit a bit of a snag... In

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