Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Chen Lei wrote: 2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Chen Lei wrote: swami(svn) now use gtk2, don't worry about this, it has a quite active upstream. I wonder where you got that information. The gtk2 port was stalled a while ago

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Léon Keijser
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 02:09 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Anyway, do we have a Fedora policy to remove software just because they are old and unmaintained upstream? If there is a happy userbase and a maintainer willing to take care of the package, what is the big deal? I still use an old

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 05/10/2010 01:23 AM, Léon Keijser wrote: I still use an old nethack-like game that unfortunately depends on gtk 1.2. Since i'll never be able to get it into Fedora, i just install gtk myself then i'm good to go again. I would regret it if my favorite distro drops the package simply because

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Léon Keijser
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 01:31 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: You should be pressuring the author of the game you use to use GTK 2.0. If your game is no longer maintained, then you should update it yourself. The game isn't maintained anymore, indeed. But unfortunately i'm not a C programmer. I

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Chen Lei
2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com Yeah that is one of the only two swami commits in the last 2 years. Anyway, do we have a Fedora policy to remove software just because they are old and unmaintained upstream? If there is a happy userbase and a maintainer willing to take care of

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 10 May 2010 12:01:01 am Chen Lei wrote: Considering fedora 13 just remove ppc arch to secondary arch, it's meaningful for fedora to retire some long dead upstream packages as well. Maybe it's suitable to retire gtk 1.2 in F14 or F15, then remove it to rpmfusion for a compatible reason

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Chen Lei
2010/5/10 Ryan Rix r...@n.rix.si On Sun 9 May 2010 11:31:21 pm Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 05/10/2010 01:23 AM, Léon Keijser wrote: I still use an old nethack-like game that unfortunately depends on gtk 1.2. Since i'll never be able to get it into Fedora, i just install gtk myself

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Sunday 09 May 2010 19:13:57 Kevin Kofler wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: I think it would be better to drop ntp support completely from s-c-d once chrony becomes default in Fedora. We aim to support default Fedora configuration tools. Radek Novacek is now working on date/time DBus

Re: Outdated Wine versions in koji?

2010-05-10 Thread Zoltan Boszormenyi
Andreas Bierfert írta: On Sat, 2010-05-08 at 12:20 +0200, drago01 wrote: 2010/5/8 Zoltan Boszormenyi zbos...@freemail.hu: Hi, the latest version of Wine found in koji is 1.1.38, which was released in february this year. The latest mainstream Wine is 1.1.44. Why isn't there a

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Yaakov M. Nemoy
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 01:15:03PM -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: I find that having NTP enabled in most cases for mobile systems is simply unnecessary; there is a large (I would say upwards of 95% in my most unscientific guessings) chance that these users aren't going to be doing anything which

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/09/2010 02:28 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 09/05/10 13:34, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: If you have not see this at all, I've seen this frequently. Fedora sucks in this area for many years. I've seen it, so whatever arguments you bring; I KNOW that this bug IS very important and should be

DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 10:08, Andrew Haley wrote: --snip-- This is a bad argument IMO. Many users are advanced in some areas, but not others. The whole idea that Fedora is a distro for advanced users therefore it should be hard to use is absurd. How is it hard to use? excl. patented stuff. I can

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.5.2010 06:54, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): Have you ever talked to Ubuntu/openSUSE users and listened to their replies when telling them you are using Fedora? You will hear answers along the line of too much inconvenience to get multimedia working, too unstable (in the sense of low MTBF),

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Matěj Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 10.5.2010 06:54, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): Have you ever talked to Ubuntu/openSUSE users and listened to their replies when telling them you are using Fedora? You will hear answers along the line of too much

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): To have stuff just work. Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise (for example if you don't have your congressman because you are not a U.S. citizen), you can also try to move Red Hat's headquarters outside of U.S.

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Matěj Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): To have stuff just work. Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise (for example if you don't have your congressman because you are not a U.S. citizen),

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/10/2010 11:18 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 10.5.2010 06:54, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): Have you ever talked to Ubuntu/openSUSE users and listened to their replies when telling them you are using Fedora? You will hear answers along the line of too much inconvenience to get multimedia

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.5.2010 11:35, drago01 napsal(a): I didn't say that we can fix it; just that it *is* easier in other distributions. Which don't have principal headquarters of their sponsor in US (but on the Isle of Man, which was chosen exactly because of its lax legal and especially tax, true,

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/10/2010 10:16 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 10/05/10 10:08, Andrew Haley wrote: --snip-- This is a bad argument IMO. Many users are advanced in some areas, but not others. The whole idea that Fedora is a distro for advanced users therefore it should be hard to use is absurd. How is

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 11:45:49AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: With the latest improvements in the chrony package related to NetworkManager and name resolving I think it is now good enough to replace ntpd in

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 10:54, Andrew Haley wrote: On 05/10/2010 10:16 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: --snip-- Look earlier in the thread, how to mount a DVD as a repo has been demonstrated. Yes, it has. And it's more difficult that installing from the repos. Which was my point. Andrew. But there is no

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 10 May 2010 02:09:45 -0400, Orcan wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Chen Lei wrote: As I mentoned below, some packges need update to the lastest release badly to get rid of gtk+ 1.2. And some packages can safely retire from fedora, e.g. xmms. At that point you break a

Realtek 8192se on F12/F13

2010-05-10 Thread Jos Vos
Hi, What is the status of support for the Realtek 8192se WiFi controller in F12 and F13? I see in some wiki page a reference to the Realtek website, at least for (stock) F12. Is this chipset in the meantime supported in the F12 kernel and/or will it be supported in F13? Thanks, -- --Jos

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus
On So, 2010-05-09 at 11:45 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: [...] 1) Why chrony? Why not OpenNTPD [fill in the blank here] Dunno if this is important for this discussion but the portable version of OpenNTPD is stuck. The last portable version was made available in May 2006 while the OpenBSD

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:33 +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): To have stuff just work. Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise (for example if you don't have your congressman because you are not a U.S. citizen), you can also

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2010 02:09:45 -0400, Orcan wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Chen Lei wrote: As I mentoned below, some packges need update to the lastest release badly to get rid of gtk+ 1.2. And some packages can safely

Re: Realtek 8192se on F12/F13

2010-05-10 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On 05/10/2010 12:38 PM, Jos Vos wrote: What is the status of support for the Realtek 8192se WiFi controller in F12 and F13? staging drivers are out of Fedora kernel, only crystalhd is included. see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl819x -- «Allá muevan feroz guerra, ciegos reyes

Login problem after yum update

2010-05-10 Thread P J P
Hi, After I did yum update today morning(May 10'Th), I'm facing a weird login problem. None of the authentications - gdm login, su - user, or ssh from a remote host etc. are being resolved. Even passwd(1) segfaluts while changing password. I just can't login to the machine, in any way.

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 02:46 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: Look earlier in the thread, how to mount a DVD as a repo has been demonstrated. All it takes is adding method to wiki. How to use DVD\CD as repo Frank, We are trying to make the process easier by making it a click through process. It doesn't

Re: Login problem after yum update

2010-05-10 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 16:25 +0530, P J P wrote: Updated nss-softokn-3.12.4-15.fc12.i686 Update 3.12.4-17.fc12.i686 Updated nss-softokn-devel-3.12.4-15.fc12.i686 Update 3.12.4-17.fc12.i686 Updated

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- All it takes is adding method to wiki. How to use DVD\CD as repo Frank, We are trying to make the process easier by making it a click through process. It doesn't help if you insist that it can be done manually. Everyone is already

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.5.2010 12:48, Adam Williamson napsal(a): That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, but that doesn't excuse us. Sorry to take a well-worn analogy, but if two guys are trying to sell you cars, and one doesn't have an engine, would the fact that the guy

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 04:48 PM, Frank Murphy wrote Hi Rahul, Check my reply from 11:04 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html Should work for F13+ even for new users. What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other repository and there is no reason it should

orphaning Calibre

2010-05-10 Thread Ionuț C. Arțăriși
Hello, I don't have the time to maintain calibre any more so I'm orphaning it. I fell behind on bugzilla, too. Beware, it requires a lot of love. Upstream moves very fast. Releases happen weekly and there are always new features and sometimes new bundled libs (yeah...). Whoever picks this

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html Should work for F13+ even for new users. What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other repository How is it not as easy? fedora-release*rpm contains repos and

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 13:21 +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 10.5.2010 12:48, Adam Williamson napsal(a): That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, but that doesn't excuse us. Sorry to take a well-worn analogy, but if two guys are trying to sell you cars, and one

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:06 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 10/05/10 12:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html Should work for F13+ even for new users. What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other repository

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:48, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snipp-- How is it not as easy? It is not a click through process. Rahul How can you not click if it shows up in gnome-packagekit-extra? (admin/software/sources) Will not the packages be availabel in add\remove? They are on my tests.

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 10 May 2010 06:49:23 -0400, Orcan wrote: At that point you break a cult. xmms still has a stubbornly loyal fan base (just go to #fedora and start talking about it). Why don't they take care of http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/xmms and additional tickets that have been hidden by EOL

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 10/05/10 1 How can you not click if it shows up in gnome-packagekit-extra? (admin/software/sources) Will not the packages be availabel in add\remove? They are on my tests. No user intervention required. (allow for the fact my test repo not

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 13:02, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snipp-- DVD repo does NOT show up automatically in the repository listing when you install gnome-packagekit-extras. I said if DVD.repo is releases with fedora-release* it *will* show up in default There are manual fiddling involved in setting up

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:36 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 10/05/10 13:02, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snipp-- DVD repo does NOT show up automatically in the repository listing when you install gnome-packagekit-extras. I said if DVD.repo is releases with fedora-release* it *will* show up in

Re: planet.fedoraproject.org blog addition weirdness

2010-05-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello! Not sure that people are still unaware of that issue, but, anyway, here is my problem: I added RSS-filter to my blog, to properly sort out off-topic or unappropriate content from my diary and make it suitable for inclusion into

Re: Login problem after yum update

2010-05-10 Thread P J P
--- On Mon, 10/5/10, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: Downgrade this. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504949 Hey thanks, it worked. Thank you. --- Regards -Prasad PS: Please don't send me html/attachment/Fwd mails -- devel mailing list

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 13:10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- DVD repo is clearly not part of fedora-release at the moment. We are talking about the current reality. If you file a RFE and get fedora-release updated, then it will become easier but that is not the case now. Rahul Neither is fixing

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:43 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: Neither is fixing the RFE for PK, as it's notabug. But I firmly believe creting a text file, is the easier\maybe safer challenge. PackageKit developers disagree with you. Since they are the ones doing the work involved, their opinion has more

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 13:28, Rahul Sundaram wrote: PackageKit developers disagree with you. Since they are the ones doing the work involved, their opinion has more weight. Besides a static repo file is less flexible than the ability for PackageKit to handle media dynamically. Meanwhile, you can

rawhide report: 20100510 changes

2010-05-10 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon May 10 08:15:15 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- almanah-0.7.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.11 almanah-0.7.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.8 anjal-0.3.2-2.fc14.i686

Re: Realtek 8192se on F12/F13

2010-05-10 Thread Andy Gospodarek
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:38:15PM +0200, Jos Vos wrote: Hi, What is the status of support for the Realtek 8192se WiFi controller in F12 and F13? I see in some wiki page a reference to the Realtek website, at least for (stock) F12. Is this chipset in the meantime supported in the F12

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com*/ wrote on 05/10/2010 5:11:13 PM +0450: On 10/05/10 13:28, Rahul Sundaram wrote: PackageKit developers disagree with you. Since they are the ones doing the work involved, their opinion has more weight. Besides a static repo file is less flexible than

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 17:58 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Anyway, thinking about the problem with DeviceKit system policies, I really feel that the current situation is flawed: a process running as root is able to mount a device either by calling mount system call or by running the mount

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 14:28, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: --snip-- Anyway, thinking about the problem with DeviceKit system policies, I really feel that the current situation is flawed: a process running as root is able to mount a device either by calling mount system call or by running the mount command,

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com*/ wrote on 05/10/2010 3:18:06 PM +0450: On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:33 +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): To have stuff just work. Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise (for

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 15:05, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: --snipp-- http://omega.dgplug.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Realtek 8192se on F12/F13

2010-05-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 12:38 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: Hi, What is the status of support for the Realtek 8192se WiFi controller in F12 and F13? I see in some wiki page a reference to the Realtek website, at least for (stock) F12. Is this chipset in the meantime supported in the F12 kernel

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 00:04 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: That doesn't mean we should throw it to the wayside. If it works, it works. As long as someone is there to maintain it, let them maintain it. If the maintainer is willing to keep it going, who cares whether it's in the distro? In fact,

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Yaakov M. Nemoy loupgaroubl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 01:15:03PM -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: I find that having NTP enabled in most cases for mobile systems is simply unnecessary; there is a large (I would say upwards of 95% in my most unscientific

Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Monday 10 May 2010 11:18:26 am Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: Author: itamarjp Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/redir/EL-6 In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv20463/EL-6 Modified Files: import.log redir.spec Log Message: - fix building for EL-6 Index: import.log

EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
mono requires bootstrapping ? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172787 how to build it ? -- Itamar Reis Peixoto -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Steve Traylen
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br wrote: mono requires bootstrapping ? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172787 how to build it ? Hopefully you can disable enough features on one package such that it will build so it can then

Re: Outdated Wine versions in koji?

2010-05-10 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 05/10/2010 04:01 AM, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote: I guess the legal problem(s) may come from the fact that newer Wine has cut out its own MP3 decoder and instead, it uses dlopened libmpg123. How does it differ from the DVD playing situation? Xine, MPlayer, etc. uses libdvdcss via dlopen if

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 08:20 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: On ۱۰/۰۵/۱۰ 06:38, Frank Murphy wrote: On 10/05/10 15:05, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: --snipp-- http://omega.dgplug.org/ Thanks, I thought that the project is dead (IIRC, it was not provided for F11 last time I checked, but

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 07:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: I do not agree that that working with zero community input is the way to achieve a working compromise. (And input does not equal vote) What makes you think that no community input is considered? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, but that doesn't excuse us. You are right. The answer is clearly to export US legal rules to the rest of the world so we can have an equally

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, but that doesn't excuse us. You are right. The answer is clearly to

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) said: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, but that doesn't excuse us. You are right. The answer is clearly to export US legal rules to the

Upcoming Schedule Tasks

2010-05-10 Thread John Poelstra
Start End Name Tue 04-May Tue 18-May Final Infrastructure Change Freeze Tue 11-May Tue 11-May Fedora 13 Final Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST) Wed 12-May Wed 12-May Fedora 13 Final Release Readiness Meeting Thu 13-May Thu 13-May Start Stage Sync RC to Mirrors Thu 13-May Tue

Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 10 May 2010 11:37:16 -0500 Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: On Monday 10 May 2010 11:18:26 am Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: Author: itamarjp Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/redir/EL-6 In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv20463/EL-6 Modified Files:

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:36 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Fix what is broken and not break everything else so that you can pretend that it isn't. Think of that opening remark as a modern twitter-friendly version

Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
Or you can just use: BuildRequires: /usr/include/tcpd.h which works everywhere and you don't need conditionals. Paul. seems to be interesting, but using filenames instead package names in yum appears to be more slow, I think only in build time should not be a problem. --

Re: EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Christopher Brown
On 10 May 2010 17:50, Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br wrote: mono requires bootstrapping ? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172787 how to build it ? No, if you build against the mono.snk strong name key in /etc/pki then there should be no bootstrapping

Re: EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Brown snecklif...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2010 17:50, Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br wrote: mono requires bootstrapping ? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172787 how to build it ? No, if you build against the

rpms/perl-Module-Signature/EL-6 .cvsignore, 1.9, 1.10 perl-Module-Signature.spec, 1.13, 1.14 sources, 1.9, 1.10

2010-05-10 Thread Paul Howarth
Author: pghmcfc Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Module-Signature/EL-6 In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv30480 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Module-Signature.spec sources Log Message: Update to 0.64 Index: .cvsignore

[Bug 577790] perl-X11-Protocol - Request for EL-5 branch

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577790 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2010-05-10 16:15:14 EDT --- perl-X11-Protocol-0.56-5.el5,

[Bug 574409] request for perl-Net-SSH EPEL build

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 574431] perl-Sys-SigAction - request for EL-5 branch

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574431 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2010-05-10 16:15:53 EDT --- perl-Sys-SigAction-0.11-3.el5

[Bug 574409] request for perl-Net-SSH EPEL build

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 574431] perl-Sys-SigAction - request for EL-5 branch

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 577790] perl-X11-Protocol - Request for EL-5 branch

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
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Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 10 May 2010 16:40:24 -0300 Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br wrote: Or you can just use: BuildRequires: /usr/include/tcpd.h which works everywhere and you don't need conditionals. Paul. seems to be interesting, but using filenames instead package names in

Re: EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Rex Dieter
Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Brown No, if you build against the mono.snk strong name key in /etc/pki then there should be no bootstrapping required. This is provided by mono-devel I think. there are no mono-devel in EL-6, EL-6 not inherited

Re: s/redhat/system in package names

2010-05-10 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 01:10:18AM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: hi, Long time ago, all *redhat* packages were renamed to system*. But three of them are still alive: redhat-lsb, redhat-menus and redhat-rpm-config Should they switch to system- ? -thanks- I think s/redhat/fedora/

Re: s/redhat/system in package names

2010-05-10 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 5/10/2010 15:46, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 01:10:18AM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: Long time ago, all *redhat* packages were renamed to system*. But three of them are still alive: redhat-lsb, redhat-menus and redhat-rpm-config Should they switch to system- ? I

Re: s/redhat/system in package names

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/11/2010 02:20 AM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: If they aren't specific to only Fedora like fedora-release and fedora-release-notes are, why put fedora in the package names at all? Besides switching from Red Hat to Fedora is fairly pointless since both names have trademark requirements.

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-05-11)

2010-05-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 19:00UTC (3pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation = New Business = #373 erlang provides/requires explosion #374

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com*/ wrote on 05/10/2010 5:59:56 PM +0450: On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 17:58 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Anyway, thinking about the problem with DeviceKit system policies, I really feel that the current situation is flawed: a process running as root is

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-05-11)

2010-05-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 10 May 2010 15:00:18 -0600 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 19:00UTC (3pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:05 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 07:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: I do not agree that that working with zero community input is the way to achieve a working compromise. (And input does not equal vote) What makes you think that no community

Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:37:16AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: On Monday 10 May 2010 11:18:26 am Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: Index: redir.spec === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/redir/EL-6/redir.spec,v retrieving revision 1.3

Fedora 13 Release Candidate Phase

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
Fedora 13 has released Release Candidate stage. We have reached a state where the known blockers were fixed and were able to make a release candidate. This happened last Thursday, and almost immediately we found a need to spin a second release candidate. From this point on, only items critical

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-05-10 Thread François Kooman
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: but conversely there's some weirdness with the sound driver resulting in no sound (for which I will collate some data before blindly filing a bug on that). Ok then if no one does it (or my search skills suck...):

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 01:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:05 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 07:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: I do not agree that that working with zero community input is the way to achieve a working compromise. (And input does

Re: orphaning Calibre

2010-05-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 10 May 2010 14:25:02 +0300 Ionuț C. Arțăriși maple...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hello, I don't have the time to maintain calibre any more so I'm orphaning it. I fell behind on bugzilla, too. Beware, it requires a lot of love. Upstream moves very fast. Releases happen weekly and

Re: s/redhat/system in package names

2010-05-10 Thread Tom Lane
Garrett Holmstrom gho...@fedoraproject.org writes: On 5/10/2010 15:46, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 01:10:18AM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: Long time ago, all *redhat* packages were renamed to system*. But three of them are still alive: redhat-lsb, redhat-menus and

F-13 Branched report: 20100510 changes

2010-05-10 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon May 10 21:49:13 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- 1:mojito-devel-0.21.7-3.fc13.i686 requires mojito = 0:0.21.7-3.fc13 Broken deps for x86_64 --

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100510 changes

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 02:12 +, Branched Report wrote: Broken deps for i386 -- 1:mojito-devel-0.21.7-3.fc13.i686 requires mojito = 0:0.21.7-3.fc13 I've fixed this and have a new compose going. -- Jesse Keating Fedora --

Re: Blockers via flags?

2010-05-10 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 5/10/2010 22:23, Jesse Keating wrote: (our?) Bugzilla already has a method for proposal and acceptance. This is done via flags. We currently use this for package reviews and CVS admin tasks. What I propose is that we introduce a new flag once we've branched a release and created a

Re: Blockers via flags?

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 22:47 -0500, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: Fedora only has one branched, yet unreleased release at a time. Can we recycle the same tag(s) for every release instead of creating new ones every time? We could probably name them such, just {alpha,beta,final}_blocker, and only

rpms/perl-Class-ISA/devel perl-Class-ISA.spec,1.2,1.3

2010-05-10 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
Author: mmaslano Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Class-ISA/devel In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv22431 Modified Files: perl-Class-ISA.spec Log Message: * Mon May 10 2010 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com 0.36-2 - fix of conflicting man pages Index:

rpms/perl-Class-ISA/devel perl-Class-ISA.spec,1.1,1.2

2010-05-10 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
Author: mmaslano Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Class-ISA/devel In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv20822 Modified Files: perl-Class-ISA.spec Log Message: * Mon May 10 2010 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com 0.36-2 - fix of conflicting man pages Index:

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