Re: Orphaning all my packages

2010-08-12 Thread Petr Sabata
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 04:19:25AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/12/2010 03:34 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: Luckily Remi got a list: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-August/140708.html Unfortunately, Remi's list only covers php-*, I think there

Re: Orphaning all my packages

2010-08-12 Thread Chen Lei
I'll take SOAPpy, co-maintainers for all of my packages are welcome. Full list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/supercyper Regards, Chen Lei -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Orphaning all my packages

2010-08-12 Thread Jan Kaluza
On Thursday, August 12, 2010 04:19:25 am Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/12/2010 03:34 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: Luckily Remi got a list: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-August/140708.html Unfortunately, Remi's list only covers php-*, I think there

Re: Orphaning all my packages

2010-08-12 Thread Christof Damian
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 19:19, Remi Collet fed...@famillecollet.com wrote: php-channel-phpunit php-pecl-xdebug -- PECL package for debugging PHP scripts I can help co-maintaining these if you like. As far as I see those are the only one I use. If you need a hand with other packages on the list

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Andreas Schwab
Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: When an F14 build goes stable through bodhi, it'll be inherited into rawhide. Unless there is already a release of the package tagged dist-f15, IIUC. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84 5EC7

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/12/2010 12:42 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: When an F14 build goes stable through bodhi, it'll be inherited into rawhide. Unless there is already a release of the package tagged dist-f15, IIUC.

Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! It was easy to build whole list of upstream projects available in Fedora - anyone could just look over the contents of this page: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/ Now it doesn't look that easy. In fact I have no clue how to build this list after switching to git. Could

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Andreas Schwab
Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. Which is exactly the situation with systemd. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84

Re: Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:19:57 am Martin Gieseking wrote: Am 12.08.2010 10:03, schrieb Peter Lemenkov: It was easy to build whole list of upstream projects available in Fedora - anyone could just look over the contents of this page: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/

Re: Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/12/2010 10:03 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! It was easy to build whole list of upstream projects available in Fedora - anyone could just look over the contents of this page: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/ Now it doesn't look that easy. I use

Re: Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Martin Gieseking
Am 12.08.2010 10:32, schrieb Jaroslav Reznik: But as you can see on [1]: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/ BROKEN (listing 10K+ packages does not work). Use e.g. http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=erlang.git directly for the erlang package (also broken, unfortunately) Oops, sorry, I

Re: Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Andreas Schwab
Martin Gieseking martin.giesek...@uos.de writes: Am 12.08.2010 10:32, schrieb Jaroslav Reznik: But as you can see on [1]: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/ BROKEN (listing 10K+ packages does not work). Use e.g. http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=erlang.git directly for the erlang

Re: Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! 2010/8/12 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de: I use https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/lists/bugzilla?tg_format=plain for similar purposes. Thanks! Exactly what I need. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:59 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote: Martin Gieseking martin.giesek...@uos.de writes: Am 12.08.2010 10:32, schrieb Jaroslav Reznik: But as you can see on [1]: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/ BROKEN (listing 10K+ packages does not work). Use e.g.

Re: Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Andreas Schwab
Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net writes: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:59 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote: Martin Gieseking martin.giesek...@uos.de writes: Am 12.08.2010 10:32, schrieb Jaroslav Reznik: But as you can see on [1]: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/ BROKEN (listing 10K+

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-12 Thread Chris Jones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It is common for iso size to be over the 700MB target size due to most developers and testers doing their work in virtual machines these days. Therefore, iso size is not an issue. And bringing it back down to below the 700MB size limit for CD is

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Thursday, August 12, 2010 01:10:08 pm Chris Jones wrote: It is common for iso size to be over the 700MB target size due to most developers and testers doing their work in virtual machines these days. Therefore, iso size is not an issue. And bringing it back down to below the 700MB size

rawhide report: 20100812 changes

2010-08-12 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Aug 12 08:15:16 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- Mayavi-3.3.0-1.fc13.x86_64 requires python(abi) = 0:2.6 Mayavi-3.3.0-1.fc13.x86_64 requires libpython2.6.so.1.0()(64bit)

Re: Orphaning all my packages

2010-08-12 Thread Jon Ciesla
On 08/12/2010 02:25 AM, Jan Kaluza wrote: On Thursday, August 12, 2010 04:19:25 am Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/12/2010 03:34 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: Luckily Remi got a list: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-August/140708.html Unfortunately, Remi's

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 12.08.10 00:52, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. Can I undo such a build? I did that mostly because I forgot that the branching already happened when I built

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Lennart Poettering wrote, at 08/12/2010 10:28 PM +9:00: On Thu, 12.08.10 00:52, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. Can I undo such a build? I did that mostly because I

Re: Orphaning all my packages

2010-08-12 Thread Jan Kaluza
On Thursday, August 12, 2010 03:23:59 pm Jon Ciesla wrote: On 08/12/2010 02:25 AM, Jan Kaluza wrote: On Thursday, August 12, 2010 04:19:25 am Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/12/2010 03:34 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: Luckily Remi got a list:

[Bug 620459] perl-MIME-Lite - Request for EL-6 branch

2010-08-12 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620459 --- Comment #2 from Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com 2010-08-12 09:57:22 EDT --- thanks, I just missed this one. I'm not an

Re: Orphaning all my packages

2010-08-12 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 12 August 2010 at 04:19, Ralf Corsepius wrote: [...] I happened to have a full list of all former xulchris owned packages around: [...] cksfv -- Utility to manipulate SFV files Taken. Regards, R. -- Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann RPMFusion

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Chen Lei
Hi Lennart, I found that systemd-units depends on pkgconfig, is this dependency really needed for minimum systemd? Regards, Chen Lei -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Felix Miata
I updated system yesterday, installed scd just now: [init 3]# system-config-display File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 27, in module import xf86config File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/xf86config.py, line 1, in module import xf86config ImportError:

[Bug 620459] perl-MIME-Lite - Request for EL-6 branch

2010-08-12 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620459 --- Comment #3 from Jason Tibbitts ti...@math.uh.edu 2010-08-12 10:15:19 EDT --- Git done (by process-git-requests). --

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On 12/08/10 15:11, Felix Miata wrote: I updated system yesterday, installed scd just now: [init 3]# system-config-display Has it not been replaced by xrandr for display porpoises? -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

HEADS UP! Ohloh Fedora repositories

2010-08-12 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! I'm currently in process of automatic enlisting of all ~10K Fedora Git repos at Ohloh. Right now roughly 7% of repositories were added and overall process will be finished in a 20-30 hours (it takes me about 5-10 seconds to properly add repository, and I don't want to speedup this

Broken dependencies: perl-Config-Model

2010-08-12 Thread buildsys
perl-Config-Model has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Config-Model-1.205-2.fc14.noarch requires perl(YAML::Any) = 0:0.303 On i386: perl-Config-Model-1.205-2.fc14.noarch requires perl(YAML::Any) = 0:0.303 Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2010-08-12 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) Please resolve this as soon as

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread David Malcolm
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:11 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I updated system yesterday, installed scd just now: [init 3]# system-config-display File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 27, in module import xf86config File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/xf86config.py, line 1,

Re: 155 more python packages need to be rebuilt for Python 2.7

2010-08-12 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 17:17 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: Thanks everyone who've already rebuilt their packages. I just kicked off a script that attempts to rebuild everything still affected; the rebuilds are marked as --background which I believe makes them lower priority in Koji than other

F-14 Branched report: 20100812 changes

2010-08-12 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Aug 12 13:15:13 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- CGAL-3.6.1-1.fc14.i686 requires libboost_thread-mt.so.1.41.0 CGAL-3.6.1-1.fc14.x86_64 requires libboost_thread-mt.so.1.41.0()(64bit)

Re: Where can I find the list of all Fedora Git repos?

2010-08-12 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 11:20 +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote: Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net writes: I went to https://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/ and it sat there Generating for 5 minutes before I ran out of patience. I wouldn't consider that working fine. Try

[perl-MIME-Lite/el6/master] (6 commits) ...Merge branch 'el6/master' of ssh://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/perl-MIME-Lite into el6/master

2010-08-12 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 9e43ea9... - new upstream version - fix buildrequires - add requires n (*) 2c1157c... - no need to search for *.bs files in noarch rpm (*) b726e8d... - new upstream version (*) 6dba6dc... Fix typo that causes a failure to update the common directo (*) 81afc0f... -

[perl-MIME-Lite/el6/master: 6/6] Merge branch 'el6/master' of ssh://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/perl-MIME-Lite into el6/master

2010-08-12 Thread Paul Howarth
commit c1a0b4c23cce4432821234955dde3a086b1f3591 Merge: 81afc0f 2643c13 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Thu Aug 12 17:00:32 2010 +0100 Merge branch 'el6/master' of ssh://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/perl-MIME-Lite into el6/master perl-MIME-Lite was included in EL-6 Beta 2

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. Can I undo such a build? I did that mostly because I forgot that the branching already happened when I built systemd the first time

Re: HEADS UP! Ohloh Fedora repositories

2010-08-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 06:16:52PM +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! I'm currently in process of automatic enlisting of all ~10K Fedora Git repos at Ohloh. Right now roughly 7% of repositories were added and overall process will be finished in a 20-30 hours (it takes me about 5-10

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work? [13 fixed]

2010-08-12 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/08/12 10:52 (GMT-0400) David Malcolm composed: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:11 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Doesn't work in F13 either: # system-config-display File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 33, in module import system_config_keyboard.keyboard as keyboard

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:10:25PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: I found that systemd-units depends on pkgconfig, is this dependency really needed for minimum systemd? Please file things like this in bugzilla so they don't get lost in the chaos of this discussion list. -- Matthew Miller

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/08/12 10:52 (GMT-0400) David Malcolm composed: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:11 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I updated system yesterday, installed scd just now: [init 3]# system-config-display File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 27, in module import xf86config File

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:11 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I updated system yesterday, installed scd just now: [init 3]# system-config-display File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 27, in module import xf86config File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/xf86config.py, line 1,

[Test-Announce] Call for testing: F14 Alpha RC3/RC4 with Radeon graphics adapters

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi, everyone. So, we have one bug remaining for Fedora 14 whose blocker status is unclear: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596985 Two reporters in the bug - John Reiser and Mike Chambers - and one reporter from the list - Rui He,

Re: HEADS UP! Ohloh Fedora repositories

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 17:07 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 06:16:52PM +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! I'm currently in process of automatic enlisting of all ~10K Fedora Git repos at Ohloh. Right now roughly 7% of repositories were added and overall

The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Mike McGrath
Oct 6 2006: Fedora Core 6 release date slip - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2006-October/002243.html Oct 16 2006: Another slip in the FC6 schedule - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2006-October/002248.html Jul 11 2006: FC6 test2 freeze slipping by a week -

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 12.08.10 22:10, Chen Lei (supercyp...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi Lennart, Heya, I found that systemd-units depends on pkgconfig, is this dependency really needed for minimum systemd? Yes, this is intended this way. udev does the same these days. We consider .pc files simply a nice way

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
BN == Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com writes: BN I can't help but note that the slips have become more frequent as we BN started to actually *have* release criteria to test against. We BN didn't slip nearly as much when we weren't testing it. To me this implies that we should begin testing

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/08/12 10:46 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: It's more or less dead. ajax technically maintains it, but it's right at the bottom of his priority list and we've been wanting to drop it for ages. It's useful for almost nothing these days, especially now GNOME has a mechanism for

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Fulko Hew
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: ... snip ... Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more than half of a full release cycle. Actually, I don't think that the slips in the releases have _accumulated_ to be 'half' of a full

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a single slip listed twice).  Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not point fingers.  How can we fix this? It isn't broken so there is nothing to

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Mike McGrath
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: BN == Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com writes: BN I can't help but note that the slips have become more frequent as we BN started to actually *have* release criteria to test against. We BN didn't slip nearly as much when we weren't testing

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Felix Miata (mrma...@earthlink.net) said: So users of absent or dysfunctional DDC and/or EDID should be committed to 800x600 or 1024x768 @96DPI until they replace their (quality, antique, still working just fine) displays Just as a point, if the EDID/DDC is dysfunctional, then I don't think

[perl-Email-Date-Format/el6/master] Resurrect for EPEL-6

2010-08-12 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 7dfb64501728fe5f414283fc4225f9846abb4431 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Thu Aug 12 19:39:41 2010 +0100 Resurrect for EPEL-6 Package has disappeared from RHEL-6 as of the Beta 2 Refresh, so this package, a clone of what was in Beta 2, is being introduced in

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On 12/08/10 19:19, Mike McGrath wrote: snip How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one individual or we'd just go talk to them. This is a collective failure. snip I don't think it's any failure, just that more ppl are finding problems across a greater variety of both

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On 12/08/10 19:19, Mike McGrath wrote: snip How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one individual or we'd just go talk to them. This is a collective failure. snip I don't think it's any failure, just that more ppl are finding problems across a greater variety of both

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 14:32 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: The reason I started this thread is precisely because I have little tolerance for being stuck in last century's 1024x...@96dpi lowfi on a display I've been running 2048x1536 on for roughly a decade. Before xrandr, X could itself perform

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 13:27:05 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: Problem is not an image (we will provide it in the future, forever), the issue is size constraint - software grows faster and faster, we have more dependencies etc. - means less software on LiveCD... I

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Mike McGrath
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: This is a collective failure. I'd like to question that premise. Why is it a failure if we adjust our release schedule to meet our release criteria ? Well, ideally we'd be able to schedule such

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: BN == Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com writes: BN I can't help but note that the slips have become more frequent as we BN started to actually *have* release criteria to test against. We BN didn't

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
MM == Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com writes: MM Possibly also stop changing earlier? Not necessarily. We should certainly try to get the earth shattering changes done as early as possible (i.e. soon after branch) but I recognize that there isn't sufficient developer time available to both

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 14:32 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: On 2010/08/12 10:46 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: It's more or less dead. ajax technically maintains it, but it's right at the bottom of his priority list and we've been wanting to drop it for ages. It's useful for almost

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 14:50:38 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote: One thing I am curious about is why, when slipping for an Alpha target, the whole schedule slips. Can't we just take a week out of the Beta cycle? The amount of testing time is roughly the same.

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: Any of the QA guys have any way to measure the the most common cause of our slips? Is it usually stuff we're our own upstream for? Is it integration? Is it bugs that were introduced months ago but only recently found or bugs that were

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/08/12 14:38 (GMT-0400) Bill Nottingham composed: Felix Miata said: So users of absent or dysfunctional DDC and/or EDID should be committed to 800x600 or 1024x768 @96DPI until they replace their (quality, antique, still working just fine) displays Just as a point, if the EDID/DDC

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not point fingers. How can we fix

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 13:19:29 -0500, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more than half of a full release cycle. Thoughts? One thing I have noticed is people landing big changes (such as python and systemd) that break

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:00:29 -0700, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: We usually catch most initial blockers for any given release at the first TC stage. Bugs we slip for are usually ones identified at that stage that we couldn't fix in time, bugs introduced between TC and RC

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Jon Ciesla
On 08/12/2010 01:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: BN == Bill Nottinghamnott...@redhat.com writes: BN I can't help but note that the slips have become more frequent as we BN started to actually *have* release criteria to test against. We BN

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Jon Ciesla
On 08/12/2010 01:51 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: MM == Mike McGrathmmcgr...@redhat.com writes: MM Possibly also stop changing earlier? Not necessarily. We should certainly try to get the earth shattering changes done as early as possible (i.e. soon after branch) but I recognize that

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 08/12/2010 03:03 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 13:19:29 -0500, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more than half of a full release cycle. Thoughts? One thing I have noticed is people landing

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/08/12 11:55 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: if you want to maintain s-c-d, I'm sure ajax would be more than happy to hand over ownership. Being a non-programmer I'm confident there's little likelihood I'd be competent to attempt such an endeavor. Nevertheless, my complaints are

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 08/12/2010 03:08 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: On 08/12/2010 01:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: BN == Bill Nottinghamnott...@redhat.com writes: BN I can't help but note that the slips have become more frequent as we BN started to actually *have*

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Jon Ciesla
On 08/12/2010 02:14 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: On 08/12/2010 03:08 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: On 08/12/2010 01:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: BN == Bill Nottinghamnott...@redhat.com writes: BN I can't help but note that the slips have

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jon Ciesla (l...@jcomserv.net) said: I disagree that a clockwork release schedule is required for quality, or even perceived quality. If that's the sort of metric being looked at, the user is probably best suited to RHEL, CentOS, etc. It would be interesting to look at RHEL/CentOS to see

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 14:32:21 -0400, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: So users of absent or dysfunctional DDC and/or EDID should be committed to 800x600 or 1024x768 @96DPI until they replace their (quality, antique, still working just fine) displays or learn the cryptic and

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 21:33 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 12.08.10 13:19, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote: Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not point fingers.

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a single slip listed twice).  Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not point fingers.  How can we fix this? [snip] This is a collective failure.

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Will Woods
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 21:33 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I want to mention one thing: on opensuse the base system has a different schedule then the rest of the OS. i.e. the kernel, gcc, glibc and the low-level tools freeze first, while everything else may be hacked on a couple of weeks

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Will Woods
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 13:39 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: Would an 8[1] month cycle cause fewer slips per release? Fewer bugs? For me, one of the guiding principles for Fedora QA's work on tools and policies has been this: time, by itself, doesn't fix anything. Making the schedules longer isn't

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:00 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: EDID DDC are mere conveniences unnecessary to the function of the device. I really couldn't care less whether EDID/DDC exists, much less works. What matters (works just fine) from a display, which may have been manufactured before the

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:13 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: For the benefit of those few, and there will likely always be some, for whom automatic isn't, some tool is needed upstream in Xorg, possibly SaX2 or SCD at least as a starting point. A wider call for a maintainer of SaX2 or SCD or some

Any chance the responsiveness issue-fix will be backported ?

2010-08-12 Thread Linuxguy123
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=ODQ3Mw I believe I am affected by this issue from time to time. Any chance that a near future Fedora kernel would contain the fix ? Thanks -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Any chance the responsiveness issue-fix will be backported ?

2010-08-12 Thread Linuxguy123
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=ODQ3OQ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le jeudi 12 août 2010 à 13:51 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit : I guess I'm just saying that, if we had the developer time to do it, it would be super nice if we could get the pre-F15 rawhide is useless bit over and done with by the time F15 branches. But back in reality, I know that's a

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 12.08.10 13:19, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote: Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not point fingers. How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one individual

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Jon Ciesla
On 08/12/2010 02:22 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jon Ciesla (l...@jcomserv.net) said: I disagree that a clockwork release schedule is required for quality, or even perceived quality. If that's the sort of metric being looked at, the user is probably best suited to RHEL, CentOS, etc. It would

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:02 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: If our schedules aren't reasonably fixed, than others have a hard time working with us. Loosing users (especially companies with resources to They are reasonably fixed. Please don't blow this out of proportion. I don't believe we've

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
I'll reply here but I'm also bringing together some things in the rest of the thread... sorry about that. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 01:19:29PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/08/12 16:53 (GMT-0400) Adam Jackson composed: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:13 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: For the benefit of those few, and there will likely always be some, for whom automatic isn't, some tool is needed upstream in Xorg, possibly SaX2 or SCD at least as a starting point. A

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/08/12 16:52 (GMT-0400) Adam Jackson composed: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:00 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: EDID DDC are mere conveniences unnecessary to the function of the device. I really couldn't care less whether EDID/DDC exists, much less works. What matters (works just fine) from a

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 17:08 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: On 2010/08/12 16:53 (GMT-0400) Adam Jackson composed: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:13 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: For the benefit of those few, and there will likely always be some, for whom automatic isn't, some tool is needed upstream

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 13:19 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: How can we fix this? Step 1 is to realize/admit there is a problem. You've tactfully done that. Step 2 is to gather data and knowledge. That doesn't appear to be happening in these posts. On the data side, it would be very interesting to

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 13:13, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2010/08/12 11:55 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: if you want to maintain s-c-d, I'm sure ajax would be more than happy to hand over ownership. Being a non-programmer I'm confident there's little likelihood I'd be

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Luke Macken wrote: - Package update acceptance criteria compliance https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_acceptance_criteria - Disable direct-to-stable pushes (https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/434) - Minimum time-in-testing requirements -

Fedora 14 Blocker Bug Review Meeting 2010-08-13 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

2010-08-12 Thread John Poelstra
Subject: Fedora 14 Blocker Bug Review Meeting 2010-08-13 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST) When: Friday, 2010-08-13 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST) Where: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net Here are the current bugs listed as blocking the Alpha release. We'll be discussing all of these to determine if they

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:31:58 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: I think that this is really going to break our workflow! I think it's going to help our workflow and provide our users with more stable updates. Time will tell. For example, for the Fedora 14 under development, we

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: Well, this has nothing to do with that. We are currently only pushing to stable those updates that are needed to fix Alpha release blockers in F14. So, it wouldn't matter here. It will matter after the Alpha release when urgent dependency fixes will be withheld for 1 week

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Luke Macken wrote:       - Minimum time-in-testing requirements           - Every day bodhi will look for updates that have been             in testing for N days (fedora: N=7, epel: N=14), and will             add a comment notifying the maintainer that the

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bruno Wolff III wrote: I hope to occasionally push back a little against this. When LZMA squashfs makes it upstream (it looks like it won't happen in time for F14) we will probably gain about 10% on what we can fit in a given size image. It's quite sad that we're waiting for upstream there.

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