Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Having a quick look at the link and at the steps to reproduce the bug gave me shivers. Are we really sure that systemd is ready? I mean, I don't even call my code alpha if it can't parse a slash correctly. How is it systemd's fault that the user's fstab is invalid?

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 12.06.11 18:59, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: Am 12.06.2011 18:56, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.06.2011 18:53, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Reindl Harald

WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 05:58, schrieb Kevin Kofler: Reindl Harald wrote: and even on a new setup this should be a decision of the user at the very beginning what init-system he wants to us No, the choice of this kind of core under-the-hood system components should be a decision of the

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:08:02 +0200 Kevin Kofler wrote: How is it systemd's fault that the user's fstab is invalid? A trailing slash in the mountpoint is not too common, but valid. Michal -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 08:48, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:14:27 -0400 Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Having a quick look at the link and at the steps to reproduce the bug gave me shivers. Are we really sure that systemd is ready? I mean, I don't even call my code alpha if it can't parse a

Re: how to push to stable?

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chuck Anderson wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ocp-0.1.20-8.fc15 bodhi says of my update: bodhi - 2011-06-10 05:03:46 This update has reached 3 days in testing and can be pushed to stable now if the maintainer wishes But clicking the mark as stable button says: This

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 09:13, schrieb Lennart Poettering: systemd surpasses Upstart in every way. It's not in an early state. Upstart is much more limited and hence in a much earlier state feature-wise. in theory the problem is that you are frcing bringing your baby to the users in a braindead way

Re: how to push to stable?

2011-06-13 Thread José Matos
On Monday 13 June 2011 08:09:48 Honza Horak wrote: I think bodhi behaves correctly, but this auto-generated message is a failure, while according https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy a non critical package must spend at least one week in updates-testing. I've reported the same

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Lucas
PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before * the system is running since years * every dist-upgrade via yum was no problem * now see screenshot * WTF is there to relabel if started with selinux=0-kernel-param WHY IN THE WORLD ARE

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 09:25, schrieb Michal Schmidt: Stop the profanities and insults, or stop posting to this mailing list. sorry but for a answer like below form Kevin Kofler i have no other words as idiot, really! where is defined taht it is invalid and why only for systemd if it is so well designed

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:26:46 +0400 Lucas wrote: Have you notice that they use Fedora like a toy, to play with, to test a new ideas, to try new things on it. Developers do not count it like anything serious - it is a toy for them. Today they decided that upstart is wrong and they need systemd,

Re: WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.06.2011 05:58, schrieb Kevin Kofler: No, the choice of this kind of core under-the-hood system components should be a decision of the distribution. thats freedom? You have the freedom to fork Fedora. Good luck! A distribution is about integration of different

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Lucas
On 06/13/2011 11:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.06.2011 09:37, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:26:46 +0400 Lucas wrote: Have you notice that they use Fedora like a toy, to play with, to test a new ideas, to try new things on it. Developers do not count it like anything

Re: Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-13 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 07:24:38PM +0100, José Matos wrote: On Sunday 12 June 2011 18:26:25 Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: What is the graphics card? It's ATI radeon RV635. Do you have the same graphics card? I think so (but I think that are mixing the references :-) ): # lspci |

Re: Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-13 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:54:40PM +0200, Andreas Tunek wrote: 2011/6/12 José Matos jama...@fc.up.pt: On Sunday 12 June 2011 18:26:25 Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: What is the graphics card? It's ATI radeon RV635. Do you have the same graphics card? I think so (but I think that are

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: and some are not realizing that we are not speaking about a sound-daemon stopping you hear music we are speaking about the most important component of the system! That's exactly why we shouldn't let users replace it at random. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 10.06.11 15:07, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: Hi Lennart, systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process I ever played with. Granted, systemd does a bit more that typical init, but I think using *eleven plus megabytes* of malloced space is a bit

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 10.06.11 18:58, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:11 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 06/10/2011 03:59 PM, Steve Clark wrote: On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: systemd does not take the system down when it crashes. It catches the

Re: WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 01:59:43 PM Monday, June 13, 2011 Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.06.2011 05:58, schrieb Kevin Kofler: Reindl Harald wrote: and even on a new setup this should be a decision of the user at the very beginning what init-system he wants to us No, the choice of this kind of core

rawhide report: 20110613 changes

2011-06-13 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Jun 13 08:15:26 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.i686 requires libadmsslutil.so.1 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.i686 requires libadminutil.so.1 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.x86_64

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 02:12:43 PM Monday, June 13, 2011 Lucas wrote: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before * the system is running since years * every dist-upgrade via yum was no problem * now see screenshot * WTF is there to relabel if

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-13 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 09 June 2011 15:54:14 Clément David wrote: Hi, My name is Clément DAVID (aka davidcl) and I'm a french software developer. I'm currently working on Scilab [1]. Welcome to Fedora. :-) I'm interested to become a packager for Scientific application or just software toys :). My

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-13 Thread Johannes Lips
Welcome to fedora, I am glad that you managed to get jlatexmath into fedora. If you are interested in mind-mapping there is a nice freemind plugin [1] to include LaTeX formulas into mind-maps which makes use of jlatexmath. If you are interested in packaging this little piece of software. I

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Steve Clark [13/06/2011 14:04] : Maybe Fedora should adhere to Linus's rule that we don't have regressions that break users stuff. Linus has no such thing. Google the min/max incident and the amount of drivers that were removed from the kernel tree before 2.4.0's release if you want proof.

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Lucas
On 06/13/2011 03:27 PM, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: On 02:12:43 PM Monday, June 13, 2011 Lucas wrote: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before * the system is running since years * every dist-upgrade via yum was no problem

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir? I guess because binaries shouldn't go in the library directory. Now if you wanted to get rid of the {,/usr}/lib64 nonsense, *that*'s something we can all get behind ... Rich. --

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-13 Thread Lucas
On 06/13/2011 04:33 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2011 03:11 PM, Lucas wrote: On 06/11/2011 11:00 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: Lucasmacachutoat gmail.com writes: I use systemd-28-3.fc16.i686 and updated it when it became available, but

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir? I guess because binaries shouldn't go in the library directory. Now if you wanted to get rid of the {,/usr}/lib64

Re: SUMMARY - [Fwd: Re: [fedora-arm] Fedora 15 ARM hardfp Virtual FAD (Fedora Activity Day) - TODAY]

2011-06-13 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.comwrote: Now you need to persuade Red Hat to fund a bigger ARM build server than the one Canonical are building :-) http://thetanktheory.squarespace.com/this-8-bit-life/2011/6/10/ubuntu-linux-pandabuilder.html

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/13/2011 05:28 PM, Steve Clark wrote: Maybe Fedora should adhere to Linus's rule that we don't have regressions that break users stuff. I get the impression Fedora doesn't care about users and is only interested in pushing the agenda of the developers. It is too bad that Fedora doesn't

Re: system-config-keyboard needs some loving, any takers?

2011-06-13 Thread Marko Myllynen
Hi, It seems that Debian has solved this by offering layouts from xkeyboard-config during installation and then generating corresponding console keymap based on the selection on the fly with console-setup [3]. This is the correct way to go, non xkeyboard-config layout databases need to

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/13/2011 06:10 PM, Steve Clark wrote: On 06/13/2011 08:23 AM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: * Steve Clark [13/06/2011 14:04] : Maybe Fedora should adhere to Linus's rule that we don't have regressions that break users stuff. Linus has no such thing. Google the min/max incident and the amount

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Denys Vlasenko
Hi Lennart, On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 10:15 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 10.06.11 15:07, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: I understand your desire to replace everything by systemd. I have no such desire. What is this then? int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { ...

Re: WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: because your fukcing holy cow This type of language is inappropriate for a Fedora mailing list. Please tone down the language. -- Jared Smith Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

File Mojolicious-1.43.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by yaneti

2011-06-13 Thread Yanko Kaneti
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Mojolicious: ec34749aae9fe2c23dc10504a0476655 Mojolicious-1.43.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Mojolicious] Upstream update 1.43

2011-06-13 Thread Yanko Kaneti
commit c3a0bda9514b77669a41b2c0ea95bc7626d9930b Author: Yanko Kaneti yan...@declera.com Date: Mon Jun 13 18:06:41 2011 +0300 Upstream update 1.43 .gitignore|1 + perl-Mojolicious.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:27:55PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 03:16:45PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 13:41, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: What is

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Montag, den 13.06.2011, 01:47 +0200 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 13.06.2011 00:54, schrieb Christoph Wickert: Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 23:23 +0200 schrieb Reindl Harald: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before systems

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 14:27, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir? I guess because binaries shouldn't go in the library directory. But it isn't a library

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 03:30, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 13.06.2011 09:25, schrieb Michal Schmidt: Stop the profanities and insults, or stop posting to this mailing list. sorry but for a answer like below form Kevin Kofler i have no other words as idiot, really! where is

Guide to setting karma thresholds?

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Ekstrand
I'm working on pushing my first bugfix to F15 (#711261), using the guides I found in the wiki[1][2]. For a non-critical-path package, the Update Policy says that it needs to meet the positive karma threshold set by the submitter, but does not indicate what that threshold should be or guidance for

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:39:02AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: I do not regularly agree with Kevin Kofler, but you can call him what you want in private email til the days are done. At this point I am going to ask for someone from the Community Working Group to step in and see how we

Re: WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: because your fukcing holy cow This type of language is inappropriate for a Fedora mailing list. Please tone down the language. I'd go further than

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:41 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 14:27, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote: It's a directory for arch-dependent stuff that should only exist once on a system,

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:45:57 +0100 Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:39:02AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: I do not regularly agree with Kevin Kofler, but you can call him what you want in private email til the days are done. At this point I am

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: plymouth_running()? Plymouth? Systemd knows about plymouth? Why? Because we need to constantly send updates to it. It's a trivial socket operation. It's a trivial thing and spawning a separate process to send

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 15:27, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: kmod_setup(); === ??? We load a couple of kernel modules which systemd needs, and are sometimes compiled as module only and which cannot be

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 06:01:22PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: We load a couple of kernel modules which systemd needs, and are sometimes compiled as module only and which cannot be autoloaded for a reason or another. This is

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.orgwrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 06:01:22PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: We load a couple of kernel modules which systemd needs, and are sometimes compiled as

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

2011-06-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:48:40 +, Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com wrote: On 2011-06-10, Luke Macken lmac...@redhat.com wrote: * Buildroot Override Management http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides I mean, I know what's buildroot in Koji and that it can be

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:13:39PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: The point of providing a platform is that developers can make certain assumptions about available functionality. It's no longer reasonable

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:48:40 + (UTC) Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com wrote: On 2011-06-10, Luke Macken lmac...@redhat.com wrote: * Buildroot Override Management http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides Excuse me for my low knowledge, what is good for? I mean, I

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics = systemd

2011-06-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/13/2011 03:13 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: ... systemd surpasses Upstart in every way. It's not in an early state. Upstart is much more limited and hence in a much earlier state feature-wise. ... Lennart Superior design - yes I like it - but in practice there are still some

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 23:39 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 23:35, schrieb Josh Boyer: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before * the

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: ~11MB equals ~8 cents of RAM ... so meh. Are you volunteering to buy more RAM for every Fedora user? ;) Maybe if you send me the money first ;) (Sorry for private spam, hit wrong button) -- devel mailing list

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of the most trivial system calls known to men and doing this with a separate binary is just absurd. This way we also can ensure that the hostname is always initialised

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/13/2011 11:39 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: . At this point I am going to ask for someone from the Community Working Group to step in and see how we can better get along here. If you have a problem with that, I think it would be better if you took some time off and did something else

Re: Guide to setting karma thresholds?

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:43:42 -0500 Michael Ekstrand mich...@elehack.net wrote: I'm working on pushing my first bugfix to F15 (#711261), using the guides I found in the wiki[1][2]. For a non-critical-path package, the Update Policy says that it needs to meet the positive karma threshold set

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of the most trivial system calls known to men and doing this with a separate binary is just absurd. This way we

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 10:21 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:48:40 + (UTC) Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com wrote: On 2011-06-10, Luke Macken lmac...@redhat.com wrote: * Buildroot Override Management http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides

[Bug 711261] Missing dependency ocaml-curl-devel - libcurl-devel

2011-06-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711261 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

2011-06-13 Thread Luke Macken
Excerpts from Stephen Gallagher's message of Mon Jun 13 13:02:29 -0400 2011: This is a great feature. Is there a guide somewhere on how to use it? If not, can you point me at the relevant upstream documentation and I'll write up an SOP for doing this. This is the closest thing to a guide

[Bug 711261] Missing dependency ocaml-curl-devel - libcurl-devel

2011-06-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711261 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2011-06-13 13:08:07 EDT --- ocaml-curl-0.5.3-3.fc15 has been

Re: Guide to setting karma thresholds?

2011-06-13 Thread Luke Macken
Excerpts from Kevin Fenzi's message of Mon Jun 13 12:49:43 -0400 2011: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:43:42 -0500 Michael Ekstrand mich...@elehack.net wrote: I'm working on pushing my first bugfix to F15 (#711261), using the guides I found in the wiki[1][2]. For a non-critical-path package, the

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

2011-06-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 13:02:29 -0400, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: If not, can you point me at the relevant upstream documentation and I'll write up an SOP for doing this. If you do something for this, you might want to point to it from

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:36:00PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: That is not really how it is. /lib is for arch-dependent stuff including the libraries of the primary arch. Libraries for secondary archs are then put in /usr/lib{64,arch}/. Gentoo is the only distro which is so confused to

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 19:02 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of the most trivial system calls known to men and doing

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-13 Thread David Malcolm
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 20:02 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 19:28, schrieb Lucas: Strange, I did exactly the same thing with Fedora 14, I add new kernel, changed xorg and intel driver. But I have i686. mhh - strange - an trying to update glibc results in chaos Datei oder

Re: effective communication and effective free software

2011-06-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 6/13/11 12:18 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: Sloppy attitude like this is the reason just about any daemon (more and more of which pop up like mushrooms in every new release, I must add) eats at least a few megabytes of RAM. I'd have more empathy for your position if you'd made even a cursory

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:43:46AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir? I guess because binaries shouldn't go in the library

Re: Guide to setting karma thresholds?

2011-06-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:43:42AM -0500, Michael Ekstrand wrote: I'm working on pushing my first bugfix to F15 (#711261), using the guides I found in the wiki[1][2]. For a non-critical-path package, the Update Policy says that it needs to meet the positive karma threshold set by the

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-13 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 10:25 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 11.6.2011 16:21, Gilboa Davara napsal(a): On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:25 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 10/06/11 16:12, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: They are available, but I think you have to build

Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine

2011-06-13 Thread John5342
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 02:06, Petrus de Calguarium pguec...@gmail.com wrote: John5342 wrote: I forget which one exactly contains the mp3 plugin gstreamer-plugins-ugly, I believe i just install all of them and then i don't have to worry about any other format i may one day come across.

conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-13 Thread Reindl Harald
first sorry for some bad words from mine, but this is how i feel in a situation not knowing how to act since upgraded short ago to F14 in the hope get my energy refreshed staying there for some months and now realizing i will newer get new intel hardware well supportd on it

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:57:46PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:43:46AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-13 Thread Andreas Tunek
so now i have the options of a upgrade to F15 while much work, hughe health troubles and 2 weeks holidays are priority one in my life this time Maybe if you complained less on mailing lists you would have time to try out F15. I have problems on my hardware as well

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-13 Thread Andreas Tunek
but they are forced to do this because they needed new hardware and if you buy hardware now which should work 5 years or longer you will take the latest generation :-( You always have a choice which hw to buy. Sometimes you have to buy hw to support the sw you want to run. If you want to

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-13 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 20:36 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: first sorry for some bad words from mine, but this is how i feel in a situation not knowing how to act since upgraded short ago to F14 in the hope get my energy refreshed staying there for some months and now realizing i will newer get

Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine

2011-06-13 Thread Rex Dieter
Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Curious. I thought Dragon must use xine-lib, since both kdemultimedia and kdebase-runtime require it in F15. It used xine-lib directly, only because phonon lacked support for DVD menus (until recently). kde-4.7 will (should!) fix that. -- Rex -- devel mailing

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Alexander Boström
mån 2011-06-13 klockan 11:52 -0400 skrev Simo Sorce: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:41 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: That is not really how it is. /lib is for arch-dependent stuff including the libraries of the

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:33:19AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Uh, and even much healthier than Upstart, which you seem to be a big fan of. Ohloh lists 3 patch authors. (But I figure that is out-of-date, it cannot be that low) I'm guessing its just ohloh having as much trouble operating

[Bug 713001] EPEL override bug

2011-06-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713001 Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 713001] New: EPEL override bug

2011-06-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: EPEL override bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713001 Summary: EPEL override bug Product: Fedora Version: rawhide

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: Slide 14: systemd is an Init System systemd is a Platform systemd is a platform? Really? What next? systemd is an Aircraft Carrier? More to the point: Lennart can call his program whatever he wants, even Nuclear Submarine. The

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Karl Misselt
On 06/13/2011 02:10 PM, seth vidal wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: Slide 14: systemd is an Init System systemd is a Platform systemd is a platform? Really? What next? systemd is an Aircraft Carrier? More to the point: Lennart can call his program whatever he

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Lennart Poettering wrote: What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir? The distinction between stuff which belongs into %{_libdir}, which is different for 32-bit vs. 64-bit, vs. stuff which always goes to the same place and where only one copy should be installed. Now it's possible to

Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rex Dieter wrote: It used xine-lib directly, only because phonon lacked support for DVD menus (until recently). kde-4.7 will (should!) fix that. Also note that the DVD menu hack in Dragon Player only works with phonon- backend-xine. Hopefully we'll soon have code which uses the new Phonon

GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Henrik Wejdmark
Coming out of pure lurk mode - I think Seth's observations here are true for a many of the things that have gone on in Fedora recently (at the risk of opening wounds... eg. gnome3). Your options are: 1) Complain 2) Get involved in the development to the point where you are one of

Re: Guide to setting karma thresholds?

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Luke Macken wrote: Yeah, we have yet to step back and really think about the defaults for the karma thresholds, after having the +3/-3 defaults for so long. Some maintainers set the values very low to decrease the amount of time their update spends in testing, and some set the values really

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Karl Misselt wrote: Coming out of pure lurk mode - I think Seth's observations here are true for a many of the things that have gone on in Fedora recently (at the risk of opening wounds... eg. gnome3). If GNOME 3 is your problem, try KDE Plasma or Xfce. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
José Matos wrote: I am sorry not to have replied before but in the place (local network) where I have been I had access to imap but not smtp (weird I know) and it is klunky to answer using a webmail interface. :-( And NNTP(S)? This list is gatewayed as gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel on

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.06.2011 01:49, schrieb Kevin Kofler: I also miss those kernel upgrades. I think we've become much too conservative. and the combination is which i really not understand * kernel - conservative * kde4/gnome3/systemd - go ahead with all consquences and the kernel is really not a big

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-13 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
about language packs in fedora we do yum -y groupinstall development tools but in portuguese yum -y groupinstall ferramentas de desenvolvimento and in spanish is another thing its possible to change yum to accept both english and internacionalized language ? - Itamar Reis

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: as KDE4.0 was anounced for F9 nobody did know if they are ready and which state kde4 would have in the first release We need to do some advance planning and development to provide a polished release to our users, so we have to start importing prereleases of new upstream

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-13 Thread Scott Schmit
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 02:19:38AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 14.06.2011 01:49, schrieb Kevin Kofler: I also miss those kernel upgrades. I think we've become much too conservative. and the combination is which i really not understand * kernel - conservative * kde4/gnome3/systemd -

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: about language packs in fedora we do yum -y groupinstall development tools but in portuguese yum -y groupinstall ferramentas de desenvolvimento and in spanish is another thing its possible to change yum to accept both english and internacionalized

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:14:27 -0400 Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Having a quick look at the link and at the steps to reproduce the bug gave me shivers. Are we really sure that systemd is ready? I mean, I don't even call my code alpha if it can't

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-13 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: about language packs in fedora we do yum -y groupinstall development tools but in portuguese yum -y groupinstall ferramentas de desenvolvimento and in spanish is another thing its

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-13 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:30 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot time? The problem with having specific hostname I had is when I boot many dozens of diskless machines off the

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/13/2011 08:54 PM, Scott Schmit wrote: Not addressing specifically the issue with the kernel updates, but at least in part, the answer is simple: * Within a release, updates should try very hard to avoid breaking things. * Between releases, upgrades can change a lot. These changes are

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