Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-14 Thread Andy Green (林安廸)
On 06/14/2011 05:57 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: Fedora could well benefit from switching to a rolling release model as well (no not rawhide - a controlled rolling release much as the kernel development follows). I've been living from rawhide on my main laptop for a few

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday, June 14, 2011 06:51:18 AM Genes MailLists wrote: On 06/13/2011 08:14 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Henrik Wejdmark wrote: I have been with this distro since RH4 and have had a great time doing so. Almost every upgrade has been really smooth with only a few minor setbacks like an odd

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 21:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: I wouldn't bother much if it would be just one tiny bit of strange code in systemd, but it is FAR from being the only such code. There are lots of similar stuff, and it's not accidental. It is definitely not accidental, but unless you

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:14:27 -0400 Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Having a quick look at the link and at the steps to reproduce the bug gave me shivers. Are we really sure

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-14 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 01:05:57 Kevin Kofler wrote: And NNTP(S)? This list is gatewayed as gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel on news.gmane.org (NNTP) and snews.gmane.org (NNTPS), you can use any Usenet News client (e.g. KNode) to read and post to this list. Kevin Kofler

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/14/2011 12:50 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 21:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: I wouldn't bother much if it would be just one tiny bit of strange code in systemd, but it is FAR from being the only such code. There are lots of similar stuff, and it's not accidental. It is

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 18:01, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 15:27, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: kmod_setup(); === ??? We load a couple of kernel modules which

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 17:19, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:13:39PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: The point of providing a platform is that developers can make

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:13:01AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Denys Vlasenko wrote: Try rm /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon. Works like a charm. Randomly removing pieces of installed packages has never been supported. I think the console-kit-daemon service can be disabled, but xinit prefixes

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 18:01, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: plymouth_running()? Plymouth? Systemd knows about plymouth? Why? Because we need to constantly send updates to it. It's a trivial socket

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 18:18, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:17 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: Hi Lennart, systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process I ever

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 18:18, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:17 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote: Hi Lennart, systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process I ever

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 19:02, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of the most trivial system calls known to

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 22:46, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: In this case you are not better/worse than before, once the network will come up you'll add a script to change the hostname. Setting it earlier in systemd makes no difference. You continue to avoid answering my question:

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 14.06.11 09:20, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 21:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: I wouldn't bother much if it would be just one tiny bit of strange code in systemd, but it is FAR from being the only such code. There are lots of similar stuff,

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

2011-06-14 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2011-06-13, Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com wrote: On 2011-06-10, Luke Macken lmac...@redhat.com wrote: * Buildroot Override Management http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides Excuse me for my low knowledge, what is good for? [...] Also the bodhi(1) from

Self Introduction

2011-06-14 Thread Mario Santagiuliana
Hallo to all, my name is Mario Santagiuliana, I am an Italian medical student. I start to use Fedora from the first release, then I upgrade to Fedora Core 3 and so on. I am a member of the Italian L10n team. I am a collaborator of fedoraonline.it, the Italian portal for Fedora community

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 17:41, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 14:27, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote: It's a directory for arch-dependent stuff that should only exist once on a

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-14 Thread Jens Petersen
You can use the internal identifier (which is never translated), yum groupinstall development-tools In F15, yum grouplist lists the identifier after each translation. For earlier releases I think you may have to lowercase the English and replace space by a hyphen? In the worst case one can

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 11:52, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:41 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 14:27, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote: It's a directory for

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 13.06.11 13:25, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:36:00PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: That is not really how it is. /lib is for arch-dependent stuff including the libraries of the primary arch. Libraries for secondary archs are then put in

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 14.06.11 00:31, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir? The distinction between stuff which belongs into %{_libdir}, which is different for 32-bit vs. 64-bit, vs. stuff which always goes to the same

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-14 Thread Clément David
Hi, Of course my target is Scilab :) [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472639] but before that I also need jhdf (hdf-java) and hdf-view. Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 12:37 +0100, José Matos a écrit : On Thursday 09 June 2011 15:54:14 Clément David wrote: Hi, My name is Clément

Unresponsive maintainer: cvsgraph

2011-06-14 Thread Bojan Smojver
Hi folks, Anyone knows how to contact cvsgraph maintainer (Marek Mahut)? Bug is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709923 I already built the package for EL6, but don't have enough karma to put it in bodhi. It's a requirement for viewvc, which I maintain. -- Bojan -- devel

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-14 Thread Clément David
Hi, Thanks for the suggestion but I don't use this software, thus it might be hard to test :). -- davidcl Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 13:44 +0200, Johannes Lips a écrit : Welcome to fedora, I am glad that you managed to get jlatexmath into fedora. If you are interested in mind-mapping there is

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Rudolf Kastl
2011/6/13 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: Reindl Harald wrote: and even on a new setup this should be a decision of the user at the very beginning what init-system he wants to us No, the choice of this kind of core under-the-hood system components should be a decision of the

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/14/2011 03:15 PM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: From experience... i prefer having two tools available atleast to do every single job (especially when they exist) because then i have an easy fallback if one fails. Having upstart installed on rawhide during the f15 rawhide cycles was quite helpful

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-14 Thread Mat Booth
On 14 June 2011 09:42, Mario Santagiuliana fed...@marionline.it wrote: Hallo to all, my name is Mario Santagiuliana, I am an Italian medical student. I start to use Fedora from the first release, then I upgrade to Fedora Core 3 and so on. I am a member of the Italian L10n team. I am a

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread 80
2011/6/14 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de: On 06/14/2011 12:26 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Haïkel Guémar wrote: I spent some time yesterday talking with opensuse guys on irc, since /usr/libexec has not been blessed by FHS libexecdir is GNU Standards for ages (decades). It's supposed to be

system can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16

2011-06-14 Thread Lucas
My laptop can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16 - the boot process just stops at random points and CPU usage goes high. systemd-28-3.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16 - did not have this behavior. The only possible way to boot is to add selinux=0.

Re: system can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On 14/06/11 11:02, Lucas wrote: snip The only possible way to boot is to add selinux=0. Especially for Daniel J Walsh, the addition of enforcing=0 doesn't make any difference - boot stops. Thanks. Last time I had similar problem, ended up: rpm -e --nodeps selinux-policy

Re: Unresponsive maintainer: cvsgraph

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:16:16 +1000, BS wrote: Hi folks, Anyone knows how to contact cvsgraph maintainer (Marek Mahut)? Bug is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709923 I already built the package for EL6, but don't have enough karma to put it in bodhi. It's a

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/14/2011 11:57 AM, 80 wrote: 2011/6/14 Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de: On 06/14/2011 12:26 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Haïkel Guémar wrote: I spent some time yesterday talking with opensuse guys on irc, since /usr/libexec has not been blessed by FHS libexecdir is GNU Standards for ages

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 09:42 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 18:01, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: Maybe. It's not up to a piece of software to decide. In Unix, admins should have power to decide, not programs. Programs provide the means, they don't dictate

Re: Unresponsive maintainer: cvsgraph

2011-06-14 Thread Bojan Smojver
Michael Schwendt mschwendt at gmail.com writes: Wrong terminology used here. Karma in bodhi is unrelated to who can publish updates there. You've requested commit access for cvsgraph EPEL 6 in pkgdb, and Marek would need to approve that request. http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/cvsgraph

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I've installed XFCE. It was easy to install, and it works sanely (unlike GNOME 3 / Unity). Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-top is 'top' for virtual machines. Tiny program with many powerful monitoring features, net stats, disk

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Andy Green (林安廸)
On 06/14/2011 11:17 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: Hi - Dude, systemd requires the functionality of the three modules it loads explicitly. systemd requires ipv6. And you pitch systemd to be used by embedded devices. Do you really think all embedded devices will be happy

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:20 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 22:46, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: Slide 6: We can now boot a system shell-free IOW: shell is bad, my new shiny toy is good. Oh god. If you had listened you'd have understood that my aim is

[Bug 706878] perl-Mojolicious-1.43 is available

2011-06-14 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=706878 Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed

Re: system can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16

2011-06-14 Thread Lucas
On 06/14/2011 02:10 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 14/06/11 11:02, Lucas wrote: snip The only possible way to boot is to add selinux=0. Especially for Daniel J Walsh, the addition of enforcing=0 doesn't make any difference - boot stops. Thanks. Last time I had similar problem, ended up:

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 11:31 +0100, Andy Green (林安廸) wrote: Dude, systemd requires the functionality of the three modules it loads explicitly. systemd requires ipv6. And you pitch systemd to be used by embedded devices. Do you really think all embedded devices will be happy with

[Bug 713111] perl-Date-Manip-6.24 is available

2011-06-14 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713111 Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/14/2011 04:13 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: I talk to a lot of embedded people. Tiny machines are not going to disappear anytime soon - they just go into smaller and smaller gadgets. For example, there are still a noticeable segment of NOMMU CPUs, meaning if you really target embedded, you

File Date-Manip-6.24.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2011-06-14 Thread Petr Sabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Date-Manip: 4655901191bce84d8e089b6c9d542e1e Date-Manip-6.24.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 14.06.11 12:17, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 09:42 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 18:01, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: Maybe. It's not up to a piece of software to decide. In Unix, admins should have power to

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lucas
Is not it easy to remove everything from: default.target basic.target graphical.target ... and then add whatever we want to start or to execute or mount? I do not really care what systemd CAN do, but really care what it is doing on my system. So, may be some cleaning will be the wise solution.

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Andy Green (林安廸)
On 06/14/2011 11:43 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: For what's left, eg ARM9+ that you can run normal Linux and Fedora on, ipv6 is going to be workable if the memory allows. Looking a year or two ahead, where Embedded will extend to Cortex A15 quad core, and IPv6 will

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Rudolf Kastl
2011/6/14 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: On 06/14/2011 03:15 PM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: From experience... i prefer having two tools available atleast to do every single job (especially when they exist) because then i have an easy fallback if one fails. Having upstart installed on rawhide

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/14/2011 04:36 PM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: I never proposed having alternatives for each of the core systems either... There is already a viable alternative that works. inittab contains atm exactly one line... the one with the default runlevel... and /etc/fstab can be parsed differently if

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/14/2011 04:06 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 19:02, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of

Re: effective communication and effective free software

2011-06-14 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:35 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On 6/13/11 12:18 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: Sloppy attitude like this is the reason just about any daemon (more and more of which pop up like mushrooms in every new release, I must add) eats at least a few megabytes of RAM. I'd have

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-14 Thread Thomas Moschny
2011/6/14 Itamar Reis Peixoto ita...@ispbrasil.com.br: where I can get a list of internal identifiers yum grouplist -v shows them. -- Thomas Moschny thomas.mosc...@gmail.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 14.06.11 12:36, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:20 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 22:46, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: Slide 6: We can now boot a system shell-free IOW: shell is bad, my new shiny toy

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 14.06.11 07:14, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote: On 06/14/2011 04:06 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 19:02, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 09:53 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Changing a machine hostname at random times is just asking for trouble. Well, but it has been used in the past, and as definitely something we should support in one way or another. Never said we shouldn't allow it to change,

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/14/2011 07:08 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/14/2011 04:36 PM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: I never proposed having alternatives for each of the core systems either... There is already a viable alternative that works. inittab contains atm exactly one line... the one with the default runlevel...

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/14/2011 04:56 PM, Steve Clark wrote: You already are maintaining multiple UI systems which seem to me to be much more complex than two different init systems. Not the same thing at all. Maintenance of desktop environments doesn't affect people outside a few people who do that. If I

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 13:14 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.06.11 12:36, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:20 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 22:46, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: Slide 6: We can now

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 12:53 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: daemontools can be set up in a way than most init scripts are no longer necessary. It also achieves parallelized start. This is bogus. Amazingly deep argument. Can you do better than this? Hmm? systemd is an init system, so

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:42:42PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: (anything they could do in shell scripts, but not they can't). This will feel good, right? You will be such an important guy! I think most lurkers have understood you seem to have some personal issues with Lennart. Please still

Self Introduction

2011-06-14 Thread Heiko Adams
Hi, my name is Heiko Adams, I am a professional Windows (please don't blame me for that :D) Software developer and Fedora user since several years. A filed a review request for flyback (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713122) because it was the only backup software I found which

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 14.06.11 07:25, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot time ? The user might want to change it? Does setting it at boot time prevent you from changing it later ? No, systemd will initialize it at boot and is happy

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/14/2011 05:35 PM, Heiko Adams wrote: Hi, my name is Heiko Adams, I am a professional Windows (please don't blame me for that :D) Software developer and Fedora user since several years. A filed a review request for flyback (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713122) because it

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread 80
2011/6/14 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de: Well, I would agree to tolerating /usr/lib/package/ (Which btw is the current defacto rule in Fedora practice) but would disagree otherwise, because - /usr/share (aka datadir) is reserved for arch-independent data, i.e. should not contain

Re: system can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16

2011-06-14 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/2011 06:37 AM, Lucas wrote: On 06/14/2011 02:10 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 14/06/11 11:02, Lucas wrote: snip The only possible way to boot is to add selinux=0. Especially for Daniel J Walsh, the addition of enforcing=0 doesn't make any

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/2011 04:00 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 13.06.11 18:18, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:17 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote:

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Well you can't expect him to test every possible scenario (no matter how trivial it is). I never saw an fstab with a trailing slash so I wouldn't have though about testing it either. Same here. I actually spent a good chunk

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-14 Thread Matej Cepl
Dne 14.6.2011 14:05, Heiko Adams napsal(a): my name is Heiko Adams, I am a professional Windows (please don't blame me for that :D) No blame! We are sorry for you ;) Welcome on board! Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 713111] perl-Date-Manip-6.24 is available

2011-06-14 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713111 Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 11:25 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I've installed XFCE. It was easy to install, and it works sanely (unlike GNOME 3 / Unity). And you can add some interesting tools around xfce which enhance,imo, its operation. -sv -- devel mailing list

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.06.2011 15:15, schrieb Jeff Spaleta: Is directory path handling with regard to trailing slashes something worth adding as an autoQA test target in the future?Not just for mount but for a group of commands? Something worth considering? I'm happy to write the initial test script

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-14 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On 06/13/2011 11:57 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Fedora could well benefit from switching to a rolling release model as well (no not rawhide - a controlled rolling release much as the kernel development follows). I ran rolling release distros on my laptops for a while - Gentoo, then Debian

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ralf Corsepius wrote: Multilib subdirs are arbitrary directory names. There is no convention of them being named lib*. There is, it's written in the FHS: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#LIBLTQUALGTALTERNATEFORMATESSENTIAL But I don't see anything banning qual=exec there!

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ralf Corsepius wrote: Multilib subdirs are arbitrary directory names. There is no convention of them being named lib*. PS: Actually this: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRLIBLTQUALGTALTERNATEFORMATLIBRARI is the relevant reference for /usr/libqual (the other one was for

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Lennart Poettering wrote: Well, but in which way is arch-dependent non-executable data any different from private binaries? I see no reason why one should live in libdir, and the other in libexecdir. Arch-dependent libraries need to be multilib (both in lib and lib64), for executables, only

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: i think this would be a good idea PHP (my main language) is fighting with traling slash or not troubles over all the years, but there is nothing to stop the boot-process and systemd is a very different level of

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/14/2011 04:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: Multilib subdirs are arbitrary directory names. There is no convention of them being named lib*. There is, it's written in the FHS: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#LIBLTQUALGTALTERNATEFORMATESSENTIAL This has

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 14:08 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.06.11 07:25, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot time ? The user might want to change it? Does setting it at boot time prevent you from

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miroslav Lichvar wrote: I think the console-kit-daemon service can be disabled, but xinit prefixes xsession with ck-xinit-session which seems to start the daemon on demand. It would be nice if xinit could be configured to not use it. ConsoleKit is not optional (at least in Fedora 7 to 15).

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i think this would be a good idea PHP (my main language) is fighting with traling slash or not troubles over all the years, but there is nothing to stop the boot-process and systemd is

Re: system can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16

2011-06-14 Thread Lucas
On 06/14/2011 04:38 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/2011 06:37 AM, Lucas wrote: On 06/14/2011 02:10 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 14/06/11 11:02, Lucas wrote: snip The only possible way to boot is to add selinux=0. Especially for Daniel J

Re: system can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16

2011-06-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 14.06.11 18:48, Lucas (macach...@gmail.com) wrote: Do you see any errors? Just checked it. Yum reinstalled selinux-policy-targeted, then relabeling, then reboot and process stops on: Starting Remount Root FS. And nothing more, no errors, systemd hung. Boot with

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote: I understand the inconsistency and it is indeed a bug in mount. Nevertheless you are missing the point. If X worked before (X=mounting at boot with fstab containing trailing slashes), and stops working now because

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/14/2011 06:36 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: You go quite farther than that. We can now boot a system shell-free. *Shell-free*. You are not saying driving boot process by shell scripts is slow because ... ... ... (an argument I would agree with), you are aiming at *eliminating* shell

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 04:36:25PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Miroslav Lichvar wrote: I think the console-kit-daemon service can be disabled, but xinit prefixes xsession with ck-xinit-session which seems to start the daemon on demand. It would be nice if xinit could be configured to not

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.06.2011 16:36, schrieb Kevin Kofler: Miroslav Lichvar wrote: I think the console-kit-daemon service can be disabled, but xinit prefixes xsession with ck-xinit-session which seems to start the daemon on demand. It would be nice if xinit could be configured to not use it. ConsoleKit

[Bug 712886] perl-App-Asciio keyboard shortcuts don't work and the file saved in a binary

2011-06-14 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712886 --- Comment #2 from prayt...@gmail.com 2011-06-14 11:36:09 EDT --- [aprayther@apray-chs-e6420 ~]$ asciio Using setup

[Bug 713001] EPEL override bug

2011-06-14 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713001 Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

OpenBUGS program has a pre-compiled )S library from MS Windows. Any possibility to package it?

2011-06-14 Thread Paul Johnson
I decided to try to help the cause of Bayesian statistics and the open source effort of the OpenBUGS group (http://www.openbugs.info/w/) by making some packages. In case you are not a statistically-inclined person, it is worth knowing that Bayesian Updating with Gibbs Sampling (BUGS) has caused

Re: OpenBUGS program has a pre-compiled )S library from MS Windows. Any possibility to package it?

2011-06-14 Thread Jon Ciesla
I decided to try to help the cause of Bayesian statistics and the open source effort of the OpenBUGS group (http://www.openbugs.info/w/) by making some packages. In case you are not a statistically-inclined person, it is worth knowing that Bayesian Updating with Gibbs Sampling (BUGS) has

Re: OpenBUGS program has a pre-compiled )S library from MS Windows. Any possibility to package it?

2011-06-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:54 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: I decided to try to help the cause of Bayesian statistics and the open source effort of the OpenBUGS group (http://www.openbugs.info/w/) by making some packages. In case you are not a statistically-inclined person, it is worth knowing

Proven Packager help requested with mdadm bug 710646

2011-06-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710646 mdadm needs a fix to work with the new kernel versioning for 3.0 kernels. Milan Broz has a proposed patch and has asked for commit access to mdadm and no action has been taken by the package owner in over a week since the proposed patch has been

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 06/14/2011 07:31 AM, seth vidal wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 11:25 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I've installed XFCE. It was easy to install, and it works sanely (unlike GNOME 3 / Unity). And you can add some interesting tools around xfce which enhance,imo, its operation. Does it

Re: Proven Packager help requested with mdadm bug 710646

2011-06-14 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:06:47AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710646 mdadm needs a fix to work with the new kernel versioning for 3.0 kernels. Milan Broz has a proposed patch and has asked for commit access to mdadm and no action has been taken

Re: system can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16

2011-06-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 06:48:43PM +0400, Lucas wrote: Just checked it. Yum reinstalled selinux-policy-targeted, then relabeling, then reboot and process stops on: Starting Remount Root FS. And nothing more, no errors, systemd hung. Are you sure it's not doing an fsck? (There's an open bug for

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 06/14/2011 11:24 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 06/14/2011 12:27 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: On 06/14/2011 07:31 AM, seth vidal wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 11:25 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I've installed XFCE. It was easy to install, and it works sanely (unlike GNOME 3 / Unity).

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: I thinkLennart is saying that on a 64 bit system they would have to go to /usr/lib32 No, there is no /usr/lib32. Correct. /usr/lib is 32-bit libraries, /usr/lib64 is 64-bit libraries. (*) My objection to putting 64-bit helper binaries in

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :) = vnc

2011-06-14 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/14/2011 02:32 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: On 06/14/2011 11:24 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: Its worked super well for me (though less well with GNOME3's effects etc)... Can you point me to what you mean by the usual info into xorg.conf? to be clear, I don't want to run *my* session

Re: system can't finish boot with systemd-28-4.fc16 and kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16

2011-06-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 22:06 +0400, Lucas a écrit : May be I know what is going on. May be I did something. FYI I have the same problem on my box. Was waiting for fixed 3.0 kernel packages to report a bug. I suspect some kernel/systemd mismatch -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) said: In this case you are not better/worse than before, once the network will come up you'll add a script to change the hostname. Setting it earlier in systemd makes no difference. You continue to avoid answering my question: WHY systemd, a service

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