Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Florian Weimer
On 11/12/2012 08:00 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: except that most admins will never be able to do this. The only people that get any flexibility are people who manage their own system. Everyone else likely has some compliance issues and they have to be verifiably in configuration. What will happen is

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Steve, On 12.11.2012 21:00, Steve Grubb wrote: I think its a bad idea to have too much flexibility for access control systems. They have to be verifiable. If you have to comply to PCI-DSS or the DISA STIG or any other standard, you have to be able to demonstrate you are in the approved

File Compress-Raw-Lzma-2.058.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/12/2012 08:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I really don't understand why a core system component such as firewalld is implemented in Python! Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be

The GNOME 3.6.2 Megaupdate

2012-11-13 Thread Kalev Lember
Hi, It's time for the last big GNOME update for F18 to bring bug fixes and translation updates to users! If anybody wants to add builds to the GNOME 3.6.2 update, now is the time to do it. Like usual, please use the spreadsheet:

[perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2] Created tag perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.058-1.fc18

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.058-1.fc18' was created pointing to: 3e356c4... Update to 2.058 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2] Created tag perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.058-1.fc19

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.058-1.fc19' was created pointing to: 3e356c4... Update to 2.058 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

F-18 Branched report: 20121113 changes

2012-11-13 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Nov 13 09:15:33 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [dhcp-forwarder] dhcp-forwarder-upstart-0.10-1801.fc18.noarch requires /sbin/initctl [dvisvgm] dvisvgm-1.0.12-1.fc18.x86_64 requires

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:53:10PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: On 11/12/2012 08:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I really don't understand why a core system component such as firewalld is implemented in Python! Here, I mostly don't

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 01:19:36PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be dbus activated, and then go away when it's not needed? Then, it would matter less what it was written in. It would loose internal

Re: iprutils -- should this be pulled in by anaconda instead of in core?

2012-11-13 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:23:28PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: The iprutils package provides utilities for IBM Power Linux RAID adapters. Up until current rawhide, this was exclusive to that architecture. However, now it's built on all archs (because these devices _may_ be found there). I

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.dewrote: On 11/13/2012 05:05 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: I own several packages that use cmake and I've taken to setting the release type to RelWithDebugInfo like you suggest. One question I've had but never gotten around to

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.dewrote: On 11/13/2012 05:05 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: I own several packages that use cmake and I've taken to setting the release type to RelWithDebugInfo like you suggest. One question I've had but never gotten around to

Re: Anything changed on rawhide builders recently? Can't build ladvd

2012-11-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM, David Howells dhowe...@redhat.com wrote: David Howells dhowe...@redhat.com wrote: A better way to do this might be to make the header installation discard the _UAPI prefix that got added. As the attached patch. David --- commit

Re: [X-post] Reminder: FESCo, FAmSCo, Board election nomination period and questionnaire collection ends in about 10 hours!

2012-11-13 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hi folks, Another gentle reminder. There are about 10 more hours to go. Please complete your nominations ASAP! I apologise for the spam, but we'd like to have enough candidates to make it a fruitful election. :) On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 10:16 +1100, Ankur Sinha wrote: Attention all fedorians!

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/13/2012 02:48 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de mailto:rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 11/13/2012 05:05 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: I own several packages that use cmake and I've taken to setting the release type to

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Bendler
2012/11/12 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org [...] Yeah: if we get to the point where every real install has to add the same subset of packages to core, I don't think we've succeeded in doing anything except make more work for the whole world. A cron daemon and (at least basic) MTA

[perl-IO-Compress-Lzma/f18] Update to 2.058 (general performance improvements)

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: ad0694c... Update to 2.058 (general performance improvements) (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Bendler
2012/11/13 Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com I don't know Fedora minimal looks like...FOR SERVER USE the Minimal includes: [...] BUT FOR DESKTOP USE,I think it should also have a desktop based on server version...That's what is troubling me...If it [...] This is something we shouldn't

[perl-DateTime-Locale] Add BR, fix whitespaces.

2012-11-13 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 124c66a6f5074e0142eda8caa78e6789e137fbf3 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Tue Nov 13 15:34:58 2012 +0100 Add BR, fix whitespaces. perl-DateTime-Locale.spec | 10 -- 1 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:50:11 PM Alek Paunov wrote: Hi Steve, On 12.11.2012 21:00, Steve Grubb wrote: I think its a bad idea to have too much flexibility for access control systems. They have to be verifiable. If you have to comply to PCI-DSS or the DISA STIG or any other

Re: MariaDB: Packagers needed

2012-11-13 Thread Renich Bon Ciric
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com wrote: So IMO I think now that we can accept different database tools into repo,it's available for us to include mariadb.Official says they will try to become a independent software but not a mod based on MySQL... Maybe easy

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 07:20:52PM -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: Yes. I haven't focused on getting it working for Beta since they decided to continue to use livecd-creator, but I will have it working for Final. With that timeline, I think it's going to be hard to *use* it for F18 Final, but I can

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 11/12/2012 07:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I really don't understand why a core system component such as firewalld is implemented in Python! Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be dbus activated, and then go away when it's not needed? Then, it would matter less what it was written in. It would loose internal

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:41:44PM +, Pádraig Brady wrote: And for reducing space use: I think it might also be nice to break python 2to3 and idle out of the python-libs package. splitting python-libs (25MB here), seems worthwhile. python-libs can bb changed to a subpackage that just

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Pádraig Brady p...@draigbrady.com said: It could be argued that python is more suited to long lived programs: $ time /bin/true real 0m0.002s $ time python -c True real 0m0.049s Aside from that being a meaningless, worst case example, an overhead of .047 seconds is

[perl-DateTime-TimeZone/f18] update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j

2012-11-13 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: f03e597... update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-DateTime-TimeZone/f17] update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j

2012-11-13 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: f03e597... update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-DateTime-TimeZone/f16] update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j

2012-11-13 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: f03e597... update to latest upstream version - Olson 2012j (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: iprutils -- should this be pulled in by anaconda instead of in core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:41:00AM -0500, David Cantrell wrote: I know anaconda currently does some magic to install storage-related packages; should this be included there rather than on the minimal list? It's not a big package, but unless it's necessary I don't think we want to force it

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:51:59AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: $ time /bin/true real0m0.002s $ time python -c True real0m0.049s Aside from that being a meaningless, worst case example, an overhead of .047 seconds is hardly worth worrying about unless the command in

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57:12AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: - no way to run once and exit for cloud guests with *non-dynamic* firewall needs, and it's a non-trivial user of system resources You can use the old firewall environment for static firewall use cases. Everything

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57:12AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: - no way to run once and exit for cloud guests with *non-dynamic* firewall needs, and it's a non-trivial user of system resources You can use the old firewall environment for static firewall use cases. Everything

[perl-IO-Compress-Lzma] Created tag perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18' was created pointing to: ad0694c... Update to 2.058 (general performance improvements) -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-IO-Compress-Lzma] Created tag perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.058-1.fc19

2012-11-13 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.058-1.fc19' was created pointing to: ad0694c... Update to 2.058 (general performance improvements) -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 875791] perl-Net-SSH2-0.46 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875791 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In

[perl-Data-OptList] Fix wrong script interpreter

2012-11-13 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
commit 43f728027aff916af535519b7e0f1124d64497d0 Author: Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com Date: Tue Nov 13 16:09:41 2012 +0100 Fix wrong script interpreter perl-Data-OptList.spec |7 ++- 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Data-OptList.spec

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 09:37:07 AM Steve Grubb wrote: For anything with name=value, we normally use the textfilecontent54 which we can define a regex to pick out the items of interest. However, with a language, you have multiple ways of expressing the same idea. for example, if (foo()

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:39:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: please no - O2 is a performance improvement while minidebuginfo is the opposite, not only bloating the size, also bloadting the data to laod from disk FYI minidebuginfo does not affect loading from disk (mostly) in any way. See 'readelf

[perl-HTTP-Daemon] Modernize the spec, fix dependencies, and drop command macros

2012-11-13 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 0976bf010875df653bd9aeed2580b756bb9b49af Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Tue Nov 13 16:33:25 2012 +0100 Modernize the spec, fix dependencies, and drop command macros perl-HTTP-Daemon.spec | 19 +++ 1 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) ---

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:28AM -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: With name = value, the vulnerability would likely be in the compiled code and the compliance check would pass. In this case the settings are verifiably correct because the config file is not changed and part of the compliance check

[perl-Devel-Cover] Bump the release to 0.94

2012-11-13 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit ad2a26e2e7d5eb055f205db5eb31b762bfc7ffaf Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Tue Nov 13 16:46:32 2012 +0100 Bump the release to 0.94 perl-Devel-Cover.spec | 27 ++- 1 files changed, 18 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) --- diff --git

A minimal subset of python (was Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set)

2012-11-13 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:28 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: Okay, cool -- there's a lot of enthusiasm for a SIG for the core package set. So, first up on the SIG goals: clarifying our target. It's been suggested before that there's so many possibilities that this is useless, but the point

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-13 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:40:06AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 07:20:52PM -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: Yes. I haven't focused on getting it working for Beta since they decided to continue to use livecd-creator, but I will have it working for Final. With that

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The concerns you raise go beyond the preferences of sysadmins (who, I think as a rule prefer key-value config files to complex ones). Of course, Fedora isn't (at least, not right now) targetted at the high-security

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be dbus activated, and then go away when it's not needed? Then, it would matter less what it was written

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/13/2012 04:02 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57:12AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: - no way to run once and exit for cloud guests with *non-dynamic* firewall needs, and it's a non-trivial user of system resources You can use the old firewall environment for

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:41:44PM +, Pádraig Brady wrote: On 11/12/2012 07:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I really don't understand why a core system component such as firewalld is implemented in Python! Here, I mostly don't

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:28:42PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: If you want to recreate rules, use reload. If you restart the service with systemd, the servce gets stopped and started again, so you will loose internal state. This is how services are working. I understand that some services

Fedora 18 Re-entering Beta Freeze tomorrow

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Just a reminder to all, that barring any last minute issues Fedora 18 branched will enter freeze (again) starting tomorrow. There will be one more stable push late tonight that will appear in tomorrows branched compose, after that only updates fixing accepted Beta Blockers or accepted Beta Nice

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-13 Thread Mike Chambers
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 19:19 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: This thread continues to get more absurd. Everyone agrees it would be good to make the installer as efficient as possible. It is open source code. Check it out from git and go to work. Patches to anaconda-devel-list. The anaconda

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/13/2012 05:36 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:28:42PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: If you want to recreate rules, use reload. If you restart the service with systemd, the servce gets stopped and started again, so you will loose internal state. This is how services are

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/13/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be dbus activated, and then go away when it's not needed?

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:03:18PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: I understand that some services work that way. However, I don't think that this is the best design for a firewall service. Is there some way to force the internal state to be recorded? Let's say there is a security fix for the

Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-13 Thread Tom Callaway
Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before release: libsyncml mod_pubcookie openvrml perl-OpenOffice-UNO pyfuzzy reciteword ruby-revolution rubygem-calendar_date_select znc-infobot These retirements

Re: A minimal subset of python (was Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set)

2012-11-13 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
Did a quick scan and removed internals random : ['import random : (cli.py)'] subprocess : ['from subprocess import Popen, PIPE : (yum/packages.py)'] gettext : ['import gettext : (output.py)'] fnmatch : ['import fnmatch : (completion-helper.py)']

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/13/2012 06:16 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/13/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:37:37PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: That's not correct. You can modify the firewall just fine without restarting it. This is related to system-config-firewall/lokkit. You are right, if you are using iptables directly then you do not have this limitation. firewalld

Re: Anything changed on rawhide builders recently? Can't build ladvd

2012-11-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: diff --git a/scripts/headers_install.pl b/scripts/headers_install.pl index 239d22d..6c353ae 100644 --- a/scripts/headers_install.pl +++ b/scripts/headers_install.pl @@ -42,6 +42,9 @@ foreach my $filename (@files) {

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc18 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 18. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc18 -- You are

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc17 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 17. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc17 -- You are

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 10:03 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:57:12AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: - no way to run once and exit for cloud guests with *non-dynamic* firewall needs, and it's a non-trivial user of system resources You can use the old

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc16 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 16. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc16 -- You are

Re: Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-13 Thread Dan Horák
Tom Callaway píše v Út 13. 11. 2012 v 12:26 -0500: Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before release: perl-OpenOffice-UNO ^^^ was rebuilt recently Dan -- devel mailing list

Re: Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-13 Thread Tom Callaway
On 11/13/2012 12:55 PM, Dan Horák wrote: Tom Callaway píše v Út 13. 11. 2012 v 12:26 -0500: Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before release: perl-OpenOffice-UNO ^^^ was rebuilt recently

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - So, talking about specific actions... I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the JavaScript policy, so I had to review those by hand. It seems that (perhaps with the

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:07:53PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: A concrete action that we are going to take is to split the polkit daemon into its own subpackage. Then minimal / certifiable installs can contain clients that are using the polkit libraries, without pulling in the daemon. Polkit

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 02:07:53 PM Matthias Clasen wrote: - Original Message - So, talking about specific actions... I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the JavaScript policy,

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:32:28PM -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: It was decided a long time ago that its better to just have a parser that looks for the things that people would commonly like to change. This way, you have some assurance that the main binary has some integrity and you didn't make

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - So, talking about specific actions... I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the JavaScript

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:37:37PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: That's not correct. You can modify the firewall just fine without restarting it. This is related to system-config-firewall/lokkit. You are right, if you are using iptables

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: A concrete action that we are going to take is to split the polkit daemon into its own subpackage. Then minimal / certifiable installs can contain clients that are using the polkit libraries, without pulling in the daemon. Polkit clients are already

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Steve Grubb (sgr...@redhat.com) said: So, converting JavaScript rules to pkla syntax won't do any good. What is worthwhile doing though, is to review all existing packages that ship such rules, and stop them from doing that, if possible. JavaScript rules are only meant for admin use, no

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-13 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:16:49PM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/13/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:28:17PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:47:25PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Given the move of most system configuration at a large scale to things such as puppet and chef, I suspect that this argument has already lost in the marketplace. Obviously, we should still support more locked down configurations

Re: Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-13 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Tom Callaway wrote, at 11/14/2012 02:26 AM +9:00: Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before release: ruby-revolution Currently waiting for the upstream reply. Additionally, these packages are

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miloslav Trmač wrote: I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the JavaScript policy, so I had to review those by hand. It seems that (perhaps with the exception of polkit itself) any use of JavaScript

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07:39PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Yeah, that's a thing that probably could be done. Bug again I'd like some input from people who have made the switch to these packages being mandatory. Well, I think it's just

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said: Andre Robatino wrote: *IMPORTANT*: Both TC8 install DVDs are oversized and will not fit on single-layer DVDs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD#Capacity for DVD size limits. See what damage MiniDebugInfo is doing? Nobody (other than me)

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/12/2012 09:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: FESCo decided the benefit to always having mini-debuginfo available outweighed the downside of increased space. I see done to making abrt atleast somewhat usable The ABRT developers have said very clearly that that

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 04:41:12 PM Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07:39PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Yeah, that's a thing that probably could be done. Bug again I'd like some input from people who have made the

bodhi 0.9.3 deployed to production

2012-11-13 Thread Luke Macken
A new bugfix release of Bodhi has just been deployed to production. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates Bugs and enhancement requests can be filed here: http://bodhi.fedorahosted.org Major user-facing changes in 0.9.3 -- - Bodhi will no longer

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com said: So, what it is bascially designed for now is: - Boot to a normal prompt basesystem bash coreutils filesystem glibc initscripts plymouth (was for boot logs encrypted partitions; could be

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: FESCo decided the benefit to always having mini-debuginfo available outweighed the downside of increased space. What benefit? * MiniDebugInfo contains only basically the same information already present in the dynamic symbol table of shared objects! (GDB can already use the

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Ville Skyttä
On 2012-11-13 00:46, Rex Dieter wrote: 2. building with -DNDEBUG by default? Is NDEBUG something commonly found/used in projecets built with cmake? If so, I think building with it would be generally more desirable than building without it, because doing the latter might enable extra debugging

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults from /etc/skel with annoying aliases. I think it should be at least default instead of mandatory. Is NM really required for basic networking? If so, you probably

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults from /etc/skel with annoying aliases. I think it should be at least default instead of mandatory. Consistency

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:20:43PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults from /etc/skel with annoying aliases. I think it should be at least default instead of

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: Sometimes things aren't ideal for one group in favor of another. WHAT group is actually in favor of MiniDebugInfo? It has one single person as the feature owner. ABRT developers consider it useless. Who actually wants it? And are you sure those who think they want it realize

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard Shaw wrote: I'd have to go back and look but the last flag wins, right? I've had cmake projects where RPM_OPT_FLAGS was used but the cmake options were appended, so I ended up with -O3... Then these packages are faulty and need to be fixed (patch CMakeLists.txt). Kevin Kofler

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 13 November 2012 15:22, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 05:20:43PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:07:16PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: What makes rootfiles essential? That's just overriding the defaults from /etc/skel with

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:12:57 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: FESCo decided the benefit to always having mini-debuginfo available outweighed the downside of increased space. What benefit? ...snip... The problem here is that you are making the same

[Bug 875785] perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.057 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875785 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.058-1.fc18, perl-Compress-Raw-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18, perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.058-1.fc18, perl-IO-Compress-2.058-1.fc18,

[Bug 875786] perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.057 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875786 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.058-1.fc18, perl-Compress-Raw-Lzma-2.058-1.fc18, perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.058-1.fc18, perl-IO-Compress-2.058-1.fc18,

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill Nottingham wrote: Not to let silly things like facts get in the way of a good rant, but the images went over size because MATE texlive are now getting pulled in via deps when they weren't before, not because of incremental minidebuginfo changes. MiniDebugInfo definitely DID increase the

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: Richard Shaw wrote: I'd have to go back and look but the last flag wins, right? I've had cmake projects where RPM_OPT_FLAGS was used but the cmake options were appended, so I ended up with -O3... Then these packages are faulty and need to be fixed (patch CMakeLists.txt). PS:

[Bug 872994] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54 is available

2012-11-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872994 --- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- Package perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.54-1.fc18: * should fix your issue, * was pushed to the Fedora 18 testing repository, * should be available at your local mirror within two

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-13 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 11/13/2012 06:48 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de mailto:rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 11/13/2012 05:05 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: I own several packages that use cmake and I've taken to setting the release type to

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