Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 11/13/2012 05:35 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:41:44PM +, Pádraig Brady wrote: It could be argued that python is more suited to long lived programs: $ time /bin/true real 0m0.002s Hmmm: $ echo '' true.ml $ ocamlopt.opt true.ml -o true $ time ./true

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-11-14)

2012-11-14 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC (1:00pm EDT, 19:00 CEST) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic #963 change of names of

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2012-11-14 Thread Petr Pisar
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[perl-CGI] 3.62 bump

2012-11-14 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 293f9a35fdbd1495a58da5206c06074304dcf196 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Nov 14 10:56:36 2012 +0100 3.62 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-CGI.spec | 10 +++--- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) --- diff --git

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-14 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Well. I may be a little bit cynical on this, but I think the unsteered drift of this kind of thing goes like this: 1. Shiny new feature covers the desktop case, so let's make it the default in Fedora. 2. Don't

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2012-11-14 Thread mpaladin
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Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:53:16PM -0600, Ian Pilcher wrote: Wait. So the .pkla file I wrote to allow my run virt-manager as my normal user is going to stop working, and I'm going to have to write the replacement in JavaScript? This particular case is the primary one I've seen for people

[Bug 875603] Upgrade to new upstream version

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 875603] Upgrade to new upstream version

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
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Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Thomas Bendler
2012/11/13 Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com [...] - Minimal tools for admins less man-db procps-ng vim-minimal Is man-db really necessary? In the man pages included in the man-db package are not really helpful for a core system ... from my point of view. [...]

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:34:56AM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: AFAIK the major things for our usual use cases are covered, at least going by the F17 criteria. Sure, there may be more things missing. Adam asked to keep those other things to the other thread, so I'll just touch on the

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:37:38AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On EC2 (as in many virt environments) the hardware clock source is actually synced and running an ntpd service on the client is redundant. I would say this is not accurate. My experience with the instances running under xen is

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 01:27:21PM +0100, Thomas Bendler wrote: - Minimal tools for admins less man-db procps-ng vim-minimal Is man-db really necessary? In the man pages included in the man-db package are not really helpful for a core system ... from my point of

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Thomas Bendler m...@bendler-net.de said: Does an MTA really make sense in the core definition? The configuration of MTA is nowadays much more complex compared to the old days. Normaly you need a FQDN, you need a SMTP relay and lot other stuff more. So you will only get the

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Thomas Bendler
2012/11/14 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org [...] I'd like to go back a step here to the question starting the thread. There's plenty of time to go over each package, but the basic question is intent. Clearly man pages aren't necessary for a super-minimal JEOS image, but that's not

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 03:24:04PM +0100, Thomas Bendler wrote: Ok, but what is the intent? The first mail was a questioning what should be the scope of core and I didn't see a discussion answering this question. I That's *this* discussion. :) think we should first define the mission

[perl-HTTP-Negotiate] Modernize the spec and drop command macros

2012-11-14 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 36836080810c02ed86d0eb0b87fa452a87b1b396 Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Wed Nov 14 15:37:02 2012 +0100 Modernize the spec and drop command macros perl-HTTP-Negotiate.spec | 16 +--- 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-) --- diff --git

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Great - let's take something that people are using, remove that functionality, and not announce it! This is not cool; it represents one of my biggest frustrations with a bunch of the new and improved ways of doing things.

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Thomas Bendler
2012/11/14 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org default install of a small set of packages necessary for a consistent Fedora experience including minimal admin tools I was just surprised that there was no discussion about your proposal, instead, there was immediately a discussion about

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Thomas Bendler m...@bendler-net.de said: True, but then you need a mail client as well otherwise you won't see the local mails. So the question is, what is the definition of core? What should be the goal of core? Ehh, for local root mails from failing cron jobs, less

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread John . Florian
From: Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:00:23PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: On EC2 (as in many virt environments) the hardware clock source is actually synced and running an ntpd service on the client is redundant. bikeshed=blue They say it is but it

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread John . Florian
From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Well, as soon as you have cron, you'll have things wanting to send email, and even sendmail mail to root on the local system requires some type of MTA in most cases. From my experience, an MTA is still not required. Any stdout/err from the cron jobs

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Thomas Bendler
2012/11/14 Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net [...] Ehh, for local root mails from failing cron jobs, less /var/mail/root works just fine. :) Sending mails with telnet also works fine but I don't think that this is the question ;). We work on the definition of core and what will be inside. If we

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Steve Grubb
On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 08:07:25 AM tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2012 09:50 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Yes, this was a misunderstanding. What is still supported is the .policy files containing

Using snapper for OfflineSystemUpdates

2012-11-14 Thread Richard Hughes
In https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates we've implemented doing the package updates at first-boot time. This makes a lot of the hard-to-fix problems a lot easier. The question then becomes, how do we make the OS Update process even smarter? A simple check would be to see if

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2012-11-14 Thread Petr Šabata
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[perl-Image-Info] 1.33 bump

2012-11-14 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 17b62e29c189ff9d4cb83e2978df1de468491b38 Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Wed Nov 14 16:53:58 2012 +0100 1.33 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Image-Info.spec | 65 ++--- sources |2 +- 3 files

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 04:55:50 PM Adam Williamson wrote: So far everything works without, and I think we should endevor to keep that true. I think this is similar to the firewalld issue in that the basic theory here is that, look, NetworkManager is the way, the truth and the light:

hdf5 1.8.10 being pushed to rawhide

2012-11-14 Thread Orion Poplawski
I'll be building hdf5 1.8.10 for rawhide shortly. This will require a rebuild of all hdf5 using packages. I'll try to get to most of them today. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.11.2012 01:52, schrieb Adam Williamson: I don't think that maintaining iptables/s-c-f forever as a 'lightweight alternative' to firewalld is the way to go IT IS the way to go! not as default, not supported via GUI is OK but iptables.service and configuration with shellscripts is what

Pcre 8.32 RC1 in Rawhide

2012-11-14 Thread Petr Pisar
Hello, I've pushed release candidate of PCRE 8.32 into rawhide today. I belive it should not cause any difficulties as I've run it in my system for some time. It should be fully compatible with previous version though it introduces some significant changes like UTF-32 support, proper

Re: Using snapper for OfflineSystemUpdates

2012-11-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: In https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates we've implemented doing the package updates at first-boot time. This makes a lot of the hard-to-fix problems a lot easier. The question then becomes, how do we make the OS Update process

Re: Using snapper for OfflineSystemUpdates

2012-11-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/14/2012 03:53 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: In https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates we've implemented doing the package updates at first-boot time. This makes a lot of the hard-to-fix problems a lot easier. The question then becomes, how do we make the OS Update process

Fedora 18 now in Beta freeze (again)

2012-11-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings. Fedora 18 is now in freeze and the Beta change deadline is upon us (again). Updates will land in updates-testing after being pushed. Updates that fix accepted blocker and accepted NTH bugs for the Beta release will be pushed into the base repo when stable. We are in the Pre Beta

firewalld and other firewall frameworks

2012-11-14 Thread Jonathan Underwood
Hi folks, Since there's currently a lot of discussion going on surrounding firewalld I thought I'd throw in another aspect to these discussions (following encouragement from Mathew Miller). I'm speaking with my shorewall package maintainer hat on, but the issue would arise with any other

Re: Using snapper for OfflineSystemUpdates

2012-11-14 Thread Richard Hughes
On 14 November 2012 16:27, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: If you're using the yum backend, it already has support for this via a plugin. Yes, I'm using yum but this problem applies for other distros too. snapper's just a wrapper around the other commandline tools, right? We do

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:53:16PM -0600, Ian Pilcher wrote: Wait. So the .pkla file I wrote to allow my run virt-manager as my normal user is going to stop working, and I'm going to have to write the replacement

Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 2012-11-14

2012-11-14 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, This weeks Fedora ARM status meeting will take place today (Wednesday Nov 14th) in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. Times in various time zones (please let us know if these do not work): PDT: 1pm MDT: 2pm CDT: 3pm EDT: 4pm UTC: 8pm BST: 9pm CST: 10pm Current items on the agenda:

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Björn Persson
Roberto Ragusa wrote: Just for fun, let's see who is the worst. Challenge accepted. :-) $ cat nothing.adb procedure Nothing is begin null; end Nothing; $ gnatmake nothing.adb -o true gcc -c nothing.adb gnatbind -x nothing.ali gnatlink nothing.ali -o true $ time ./true real0m0.001s

[Bug 876523] perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.92 is available

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876523 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED Fixed In

Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo Meeting (2012-11-14)

2012-11-14 Thread Marcela Maslanova
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-11-14) === Meeting started by mmaslano at 18:01:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-14/fesco.2012-11-14-18.01.log.html . Meeting summary

[Bug 876523] perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.92 is available

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876523 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.92-1.fc18 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 18. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.92-1.fc18 -- You are receiving this

Re: [fedora-arm] Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 2012-11-14

2012-11-14 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Paul Whalen pwha...@redhat.com wrote: Good day all, This weeks Fedora ARM status meeting will take place today (Wednesday Nov 14th) in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. Times in various time zones (please let us know if these do not work): PDT: 1pm MDT: 2pm

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:44:55AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Great - let's take something that people are using, remove that functionality, and not announce it! This is not cool; it represents one of my biggest

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/14/2012 07:33 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:44:55AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Great - let's take something that people are using, remove that functionality, and not announce it! This is

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Matthew Miller If David is unwilling to just resurrect the old .pkla parser, one option for solving the problem might be writing a piece of code that would provide compatibility with the .pkla files. This could be (the

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/11/2012 10:01 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 11/06/2012 06:07 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) And please, please, please could we trim quotes to relevant ones? Thanks! Ohmahgerd, thank you for saying that. I am all for bottom posting but the

Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2012-11-14

2012-11-14 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-11-14/fedora-meeting-1.2012-11-14-21.00.html Minutes (text):

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 13.11.2012 18:35, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Hmmm: $ echo '' true.ml $ ocamlopt.opt true.ml -o true $ time ./true real 0m0.002s user 0m0.000s sys0m0.001s time luajit -e require'os'; os.exit(42) real0m0.001s user0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s But, check here for a far more

Re: hdf5 1.8.10 being pushed to rawhide

2012-11-14 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 11/14/2012 09:02 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: I'll be building hdf5 1.8.10 for rawhide shortly. This will require a rebuild of all hdf5 using packages. I'll try to get to most of them today. This has been delayed due to an unexpected issue. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 12.11.12 11:28, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: Okay, cool -- there's a lot of enthusiasm for a SIG for the core package set. So, first up on the SIG goals: clarifying our target. It's been suggested before that there's so many possibilities that this is useless,

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 15.11.12 00:56, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: I think a good way to approach this is by looking for the interesting usecases for a minimal installation: A) Containers B) VMs C) Bare-Metal Servers D) Paranoid people (not relevant) E) Embedded (out of focus for

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:03:03 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: ...snip... I think it would make sense to focus on the intersection of installation set for these usecases. And hence: No SSH. No Boot loader. And definitely not Sendmail. Also, no kernel and no

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 14.11.12 08:18, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: Once upon a time, Thomas Bendler m...@bendler-net.de said: Does an MTA really make sense in the core definition? The configuration of MTA is nowadays much more complex compared to the old days. Normaly you need a FQDN, you

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 14.11.12 10:34, john.flor...@dart.biz (john.flor...@dart.biz) wrote: From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Well, as soon as you have cron, you'll have things wanting to send email, and even sendmail mail to root on the local system requires some type of MTA in most cases.

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 14.11.12 17:05, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:03:03 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: ...snip... I think it would make sense to focus on the intersection of installation set for these usecases. And hence: No SSH. No

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 14 November 2012 17:13, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Wed, 14.11.12 17:05, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:03:03 +0100 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: ...snip... I think it would make sense to focus on the intersection

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 14.11.12 17:15, Stephen John Smoogen (smo...@gmail.com) wrote: How about a separate group for containers, since the packages and use case are very different than 'core' provides? @core-container ? or @container ? Well, it would be weird that the minimal installation is

Re: network service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-14 Thread Björn Persson
Dan Williams wrote: Could be because your wifi adapter is a recent one, and thus uses the preferred upstream nl80211 kernel configuration API. It's an Intel PRO/Wireless 2200bg, so not exactly recent. In addition, the wext api of operation 1, then operation 2, then operation 3 simply doesn't

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 14 November 2012 17:19, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Wed, 14.11.12 17:15, Stephen John Smoogen (smo...@gmail.com) wrote: How about a separate group for containers, since the packages and use case are very different than 'core' provides? @core-container ? or

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2012 06:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It might be worth re-evaluating whether that's realistic any more, though, and whether we're _really_ committed to finally replacing network with NM in some kind of

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Time synchronization inside virtual machines is a. Hypervisor-dependent. See the docs for VirtualBox, VMware, Xen and kvm and read the fine print. I don't even know if there *is* documentation for EC2. b. Poorly documented and difficult to test. If you don't *need* anything better than NTP / one

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Thu, 15.11.12 00:56, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: I think a good way to approach this is by looking for the interesting usecases for a minimal installation: A) Containers B) VMs C)

LuaJIT - an alternative for current Python C bindings (was: Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature)

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 12.11.2012 21:34, Steve Grubb wrote: But the problem I see is a lot of libraries are wrapped by swig, which leaks memory like a sieve. If swig didn't generate such leaky code, Python based daemons wouldn't be as scary. IMHO, Python is one of the best ways to express management logic. As

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 13.11.12 18:03, Thomas Woerner (twoer...@redhat.com) wrote: The security team asked me not to make firewalld a D-BUS driven mechanism, because of security concerns and also because of SELinux. Uh? If you write a new D-Bus service and want to use bus activation, then you should

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 10.11.12 09:26, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 02:33:53AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js package is 6.5MB. I think anything that uses polkit will depend on

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 02:10 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Sat, 10.11.12 09:26, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 02:33:53AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 16:27 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2012 06:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It might be worth re-evaluating whether that's realistic any more, though, and whether we're _really_

Re: Setting the default firewall configuration (was Re: Attention, dependency fighters)

2012-11-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miloslav Trmač wrote: Looking at hour original warning flag: Squeezing every last megabyte out of the running system for cloud is a really new thing that we haven't historically required. Sure, it would be great to make firewalld smaller (and rewriting firewalld to C is one of those things

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 15.11.2012 02:19, Lennart Poettering wrote: For containers a yum group for usage with --installroot= is the only thing that matters. FWIW, For me Anaconda is overkill for the KVM guest images too. I am used to do that with small xquery script (easy for the libvirt domain definition)

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Alek Paunov wrote: On 13.11.2012 18:35, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This seems about right to me: Both ocamlopt gcc generate native x86-64 programs, but there's a small amount of overhead in the OCaml binary (initializing the minor heap of the GC). luajit too (it is one of the fastest

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 16:27 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2012 06:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It might be worth re-evaluating

Re: LuaJIT - an alternative for current Python C bindings (was: Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature)

2012-11-14 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
How much Python code are you proposing someone ports to Lua? ;-) On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Alek Paunov a...@declera.com wrote: On 12.11.2012 21:34, Steve Grubb wrote: But the problem I see is a lot of libraries are wrapped by swig, which leaks memory like a sieve. If swig didn't

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 15.11.2012 04:32, Kevin Kofler wrote: Unlike the others, it generates the native code at runtime (Just In Time), so there is a performance penalty (especially for nontrivial programs) for the (JIT) compilation which gcc and ocamlopt won't have. The quality of the generated code could also be

Re: LuaJIT - an alternative for current Python C bindings

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 15.11.2012 04:51, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: How much Python code are you proposing someone ports to Lua? ;-) I am proposing mostly porting C code to Lua/FFI (the code of the problematic Python C bindings) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Scott Schmit
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:36:17AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: Based on the conversation so far, I think the target is: - mandatory install of everything up to yum install from the network - default install of a small set of packages necessary for a consistent Fedora experience

Re: bodhi 0.9.3 deployed to production

2012-11-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Luke Macken wrote: A new bugfix release of Bodhi has just been deployed to production. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates Bugs and enhancement requests can be filed here: http://bodhi.fedorahosted.org This seems to be closing bugs as CURRENTRELEASE rather than ERRATA now,

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 18:49 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 16:27 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 22:23 -0500, Scott Schmit wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:36:17AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: Based on the conversation so far, I think the target is: - mandatory install of everything up to yum install from the network - default install of a small set of

Re: bodhi 0.9.3 deployed to production

2012-11-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 05:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Luke Macken wrote: A new bugfix release of Bodhi has just been deployed to production. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates Bugs and enhancement requests can be filed here: http://bodhi.fedorahosted.org This

Re: bodhi 0.9.3 deployed to production

2012-11-14 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 05:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Luke Macken wrote: A new bugfix release of Bodhi has just been deployed to production. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates Bugs and enhancement

Re: bodhi 0.9.3 deployed to production

2012-11-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 06:31 +, Peter Robinson wrote: Still, even in RHEL's policy, CURRENTRELEASE is clearly wrong for a straightforward 'this was a bug that got fixed and we pushed an update' case, so I don't know why people are suddenly plumping for it, other than that it somehow

Retiring packages due to broken deps

2012-11-14 Thread Tom Callaway
Since the following packages seem to be unmaintained and have broken deps in Fedora 18, I propose that they be retired and blocked before release: libsyncml mod_pubcookie openvrml perl-OpenOffice-UNO pyfuzzy reciteword ruby-revolution rubygem-calendar_date_select znc-infobot These retirements

[perl-Crypt-PasswdMD5] Add license Beerware. Use DESTDIR rather than PERL_INSTALL_ROOT. Dont use macros for commands. Dont

2012-11-14 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 674d6e184bc7c1d6a4e7749ca4dce4ca9175835d Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Wed Nov 14 10:19:36 2012 +0100 Add license Beerware. Use DESTDIR rather than PERL_INSTALL_ROOT. Dont use macros for commands. Dont need to remove empty directories from the buildroot.

[perl-HTTP-Message] BuildRequire perl(Carp)

2012-11-14 Thread Petr Šabata
commit adb8d331a6db0f6bb498c2107fe48ddcc898ea85 Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Wed Nov 14 11:18:04 2012 +0100 BuildRequire perl(Carp) perl-HTTP-Message.spec | 17 +++-- 1 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-HTTP-Message.spec

[perl-Devel-Leak] Clean specfile, apply perl_default_filter.

2012-11-14 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit c927185bfa81bce3c326ed2012e98c7325d6 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Wed Nov 14 11:23:35 2012 +0100 Clean specfile, apply perl_default_filter. perl-Devel-Leak.spec | 21 - 1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) --- diff --git

[perl-No-Worries] Upgrade to latest version 0.7.

2012-11-14 Thread mpaladin
commit ae087a722593ad66e3018a63b9113f05301dbd0c Author: Massimo massimo.pala...@gmail.com Date: Wed Nov 14 11:37:16 2012 +0100 Upgrade to latest version 0.7. .gitignore |1 + perl-No-Worries.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+),

[perl-No-Worries/el5] Upgrade to latest version 0.7.

2012-11-14 Thread mpaladin
Summary of changes: ae087a7... Upgrade to latest version 0.7. (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-No-Worries/el6] Upgrade to latest version 0.7.

2012-11-14 Thread mpaladin
Summary of changes: ae087a7... Upgrade to latest version 0.7. (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-No-Worries/f16] Upgrade to latest version 0.7.

2012-11-14 Thread mpaladin
Summary of changes: ae087a7... Upgrade to latest version 0.7. (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-No-Worries/f17] Upgrade to latest version 0.7.

2012-11-14 Thread mpaladin
Summary of changes: ae087a7... Upgrade to latest version 0.7. (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-No-Worries/f18] Upgrade to latest version 0.7.

2012-11-14 Thread mpaladin
Summary of changes: ae087a7... Upgrade to latest version 0.7. (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 875784] perl-CGI-3.62 is available

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875784 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

[Bug 875784] perl-CGI-3.62 is available

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875784 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In

File MojoMojo-1.07.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2012-11-14 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for mojomojo: 457bf4e691a8c26f02d3c7e2d64611ad MojoMojo-1.07.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 876523] New: perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.92 is available

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876523 Bug ID: 876523 Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org Severity: unspecified Version: rawhide Priority: unspecified CC:

[Bug 861732] perlbrew-0.57 is available

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861732 Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 861732] perlbrew-0.57 is available

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861732 --- Comment #6 from Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org --- Latest upstream release: 0.57 Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.50 URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/App-perlbrew/ Please consult the package

[mojomojo] update to 1.07

2012-11-14 Thread Iain Arnell
commit a6f060b380d9f127f34f301c04e8e3567ba9012c Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Wed Nov 14 05:21:47 2012 -0700 update to 1.07 .gitignore |1 + mojomojo-t-c-email.patch | 43 mojomojo-t-c-page_delete.patch

[Bug 875603] Upgrade to new upstream version

2012-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875603 --- Comment #1 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-No-Worries-0.7-1.fc17 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 17. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-No-Worries-0.7-1.fc17 -- You are receiving this mail

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