[Test-Announce] 2013-07-22 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2013-07-22 Thread Adam Williamson
it this week. Nothing else on the agenda so far as I know - do add any topics I forgot. This is a reminder of the upcoming QA meeting. Please add any topic suggestions to the meeting wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130722 The current proposed agenda is included below

Re: Rename Review Request swap

2013-07-22 Thread Simone Caronni
On 22 July 2013 07:03, Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com wrote: For Java-related reviews you are welcome to block Java SIG tracker bug (FE-JAVASIG, rhbz #652183). This way members of Java SIG can easily see that there is a new review and take care of it. Good to know, thanks, I will do

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-22 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: It's a vastly safer initial setup than leaving it wide open, by default. this applies to many tools such as Nagios and cacti, that may share information about your system that you really should review before exposing.

Re: Mean machinery...

2013-07-22 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 07/20/2013 06:36 AM, Doug Ledford wrote: When a shutdown task isn't proceeding as planned on Fedora 19/rawhide, am I the only one that feels like I'm staring down the monocle of a Cylon and should be preparing to die? That or it's the hood from Kit off of Knight Rider... Hi Doug, The

Re: Self Introduction

2013-07-22 Thread Matthias Runge
On 20/07/13 17:30, Lars Kiesow wrote: As first package I submitted the python-xmp module. You can find the review request at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=986550 That said, I'm seeking a sponsor for this. Regards, Lars A warm welcome here. When looking through your bugzilla

Porting some packages from Russian Fedora

2013-07-22 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Looking at Koji from Russian Fedora, I noticed some plugins for Gimp missing in the current Fedora repository. I am interested to port them which bring some questions, do I keep the original changelog and notify ported from Russian Fedoraor do I start the new spec with the statement based from

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Apache OpenOffice

2013-07-22 Thread James Hogarth
On 21 Jul 2013 16:07, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: No problem. OpenOffice 4 is already on mirrors and will be announced in a couple of days, so I've put the exact release date on the wiki page, thus revealing a very badly kept secret... Nice to see a release at long last - I'll

Re: Porting some packages from Russian Fedora

2013-07-22 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello A;;. 2013/7/22 Luya Tshimbalanga l...@fedoraproject.org: Looking at Koji from Russian Fedora, I noticed some plugins for Gimp missing in the current Fedora repository. I am interested to port them which bring some questions, do I keep the original changelog and notify ported from

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-22 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:21:12PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) said: I don't think we're anywhere near the point in time where such an approach is worth the pain it will inflict on people. As above, I'm pretty sceptical that maintainence of

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/16/2013 12:54 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Web Assets = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Web_Assets Can we please use a different name, like webdata? The term asset seems to scare some people. -- Florian Weimer / Red Hat Product Security Team --

Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

2013-07-22 Thread Ville Skyttä
Hello, I'd like to grep through all specfiles (and preferably also patches and sources in git) for rawhide, this time related to the unversioned docdirs F20 feature, and sometimes for other reasons. Hopefully there's a better way than to fedpkg clone all packages one at a time... does anyone know

Re: Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

2013-07-22 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/22/2013 11:39 AM, Ville Skyttä wrote: I'd like to grep through all specfiles (and preferably also patches and sources in git) for rawhide, this time related to the unversioned docdirs F20 feature, and sometimes for other reasons. Hopefully there's a better way than to fedpkg clone all

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Björn Persson
Florian Weimer wrote: On 07/16/2013 12:54 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Web Assets = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Web_Assets Can we please use a different name, like webdata? The term asset seems to scare some people. At least the directory in

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote: Can we please use a different name, like webdata? The term asset seems to scare some people. Huh? It's a pretty common industry term for static bits used as dependencies for websites. I've never heard of anyone being scared of

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote: Florian Weimer wrote: On 07/16/2013 12:54 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Web Assets = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Web_Assets Can we please use a different name, like

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 12:31, T.C. Hollingsworth a écrit : On Mon, Jul 22, 2013, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote: Can we please use a different name, like webdata? The term asset seems to scare some people. Huh? It's a pretty common industry term for static bits used as

Re: Porting some packages from Russian Fedora

2013-07-22 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 00:40 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Looking at Koji from Russian Fedora, I noticed some plugins for Gimp missing in the current Fedora repository. I am interested to port them which bring some questions, do I keep the original changelog and notify ported from Russian

Re: Review Swaps

2013-07-22 Thread Rich Mattes
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.comwrote: SkyX is taken, too. Swap again with sstp-client, Microsoft Secure Socket Tunneling Protocol (SSTP) Client https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=976770 I've taken sstp-client, I'll get started on it later

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/22/2013 12:31 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote: Can we please use a different name, like webdata? The term asset seems to scare some people. Huh? It's a pretty common industry term for static bits used as dependencies for

dnf-0..3.10

2013-07-22 Thread Ales Kozumplik
Hello, I've pushed new DNF version to F19 [1] and Rawhide today. There's only little changes but the default value for repos' skip_if_unavailable has changed and is enabled now. This is because recently an ailing Dropbox repo has made many fine DNF processes end too soon for no good reason

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: Hi all, as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving Fedora to Python 3 as a default. This is going to be a multirelease

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python, but definitely not change the semantics of the latter. Right,

RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
This is a draft of the proposal I'm presenting at Flock, An Architecture for a More Agile Fedora (http://sched.co/19ugKGM). It represents a big change to how we as the Fedora project put together our distribution. I've gone through several drafts of this and talked to a few people, and I'd really

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/22/2013 01:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: So there we have it. Comments and discussion, please! It does not mention which components the core is made out of, no dropping the defaults or even moving epel out of Fedora and into their own infrastructure bits downstream distribution to us

Re: Mesos Packaging

2013-07-22 Thread Tim St Clair
Thanks Igor!   Currently we'll need to bundle their dependencies prior to the main package. I'm just about done with stout, but I could use some help with their (libprocess https://github.com/3rdparty) library prior to mundging the mesos package.   of course the main mesos package too, but

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 01:16:30AM -0600, Ken Dreyer wrote: I do agree that the .rpmnew thing is annoying, and I wish there was a better way to handle that. I think in general, packaging webapps into RPM is of low value. I've tried to use these packages in production several times over the

Re: Mesos Packaging

2013-07-22 Thread Tim St Clair
Thanks Mikolaj, That is good to know, b/c I know some folks in their community would like to bring it to EPEL, but my first step will be Fedora, then let the community drive. Cheers, Tim - Original Message - From: Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com To:

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 04:09:32PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: the problem i see is when things like MTA and rsyslog are removed from the defualt install many pakcgers will less care about them in the future nor test how

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Remi Collet
Le 22/07/2013 15:38, Matthew Miller a écrit : Wait, did you just say Fedora _Core_? Yes I did. But, this is not a return to the old Core + Extras, because the line is drawn based on _what_ and _how_ rather than on who works for what company. Whatever explanation which can be

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 01:49:08PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: So there we have it. Comments and discussion, please! It does not mention which components the core is made out of, no Correct; that is to be determined, and not just by me. At Flock, I will include pictures of a couple of

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 21.07.2013 19:39, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I'm not sure if I'm missing anything here, but is it intended that webapps should not be

[Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

2013-07-22 Thread nobody
Change in ownership over the last 168 hours === 0 packages were orphaned 4 packages unorphaned - cheeselee unorphaned : perl-Net-ARP [EL-5,EL-6,devel,f17,f18,f19] dvratil unorphaned : akonadi

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:38:54AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: * E.g.: Everything in @standard, plus the toolchains to build it How about, like RHEL, the toolchains to build it goes into an RHEL-Optional-like separate place? If it has to be in the core ring then either the core ring has to

EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk))

2013-07-22 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: What better time to move epel out of Fedora since is really not related to Fedora et all but is strictly for downstream distribution based upon us to use ( like RHEL and it's clones ) I'm not sure what you think needs to

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:38:54 -0400, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Obviously, no-bundled-libs is a crucial part of the packaging guidelines today. As a sysadmin, I know why it's important. This is not just a noble goal, but also something that pragmatically makes systems

Re: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.07.2013 16:37, schrieb Michael Scherer: Le lundi 22 juillet 2013 à 00:02 +0200, Reindl Harald a écrit : has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think it is a good idea to bring it to a

Re: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think it is a good idea to bring it to a broader userbase!

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:43:36AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:14:04PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I suspect this would be better if we made it much easier to automate cpan2spec-style mass importing of packages to RPM. So that, for example, you didn't need

If you want Fedora to be a platform...

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
1) Please participate in the 'Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next discussion. 2) Please stop using the word platform and say very precisely what you mean. I've seen at least the following meanings recently. - a platform for applications = deployment target = API: e.g. when saying This

Re: Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

2013-07-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:39:06 +0300 Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi wrote: Hello, I'd like to grep through all specfiles (and preferably also patches and sources in git) for rawhide, this time related to the unversioned docdirs F20 feature, and sometimes for other reasons. Hopefully

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:06:12PM +0200, Remi Collet wrote: But, this is not a return to the old Core + Extras, because the line is drawn based on _what_ and _how_ rather than on who works for what company. Whatever explanation which can be given, Core is just the worst name to be

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: This is a draft of the proposal I'm presenting at Flock, An Architecture for a More Agile Fedora (http://sched.co/19ugKGM). It represents a big change to how we as the Fedora project put together our distribution.

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/22/2013 02:06 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 01:49:08PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: So there we have it. Comments and discussion, please! It does not mention which components the core is made out of, no Correct; that is to be determined, and not just by me.

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Remi Collet wrote: [...] Ex : I'm so disgusted that I don't ever have desire to read the rest of the doc. Please don't - that part is easily renamed (Fedora Kernel, or Fedora Standard Base or Fedora Platform or something) if people are still offended by some aspect of the the core/extras

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:14:04PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:38:54AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: * E.g.: Everything in @standard, plus the toolchains to build it How about, like RHEL, the toolchains to build it goes into an RHEL-Optional-like separate

Re: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 22 juillet 2013 à 00:02 +0200, Reindl Harald a écrit : Hi has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think it is a good idea to bring it to a broader userbase!

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, (more technical / process questions below; high-level comments will be sent separately.) On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup company, their developers are inevitably using a

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 22 juillet 2013 à 09:38 -0400, Matthew Miller a écrit : And third, by increasing our engagement upstream, we can reduce our own work. For example, right now RubyGems.org doesn't do any validation of licenses, basic review for malware, or gem signing. If we knew that this basic

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-22 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:15:50PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 03:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: If python3 could just finally fix outputting text with surrogateescaped bytes then it would finally clean up the last portion of

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 47427 - Overflow in nsslapd-disk-monitoring-threshold

2013-07-22 Thread Mark Reynolds
Fixed a casting issue when reading the dse https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47427 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47427/0001-Ticket-47427-Overflow-in-nsslapd-disk-monitoring-thr.2.patch -- Mark Reynolds Red Hat, Inc mreyno...@redhat.com -- 389-devel mailing list

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:27, Matthew Miller a écrit : On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:51:37AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I'm a bit worried about this. We really want bundled libs to eventually go away (for any particular bundled lib). This seems like it could encourage permanently bundled

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: This proposal is for a solid core which can be targeted by software stacks, which can be targeted by developers. Oh, initially I understood you were aiming for a fast-moving, highly integrated core, following

Re: [AutoQA] #438: repoclosure test is failing due to change in behavior upstream

2013-07-22 Thread AutoQA
#438: repoclosure test is failing due to change in behavior upstream +-- Reporter: tflink | Owner: Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Package Update Acceptance Test Plan Component:

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 21.07.2013 21:20, schrieb Matthew Miller: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 04:09:32PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: the problem i see is when things like MTA and rsyslog are removed from the defualt install many pakcgers will less care about them in the future nor test how well it works That's a

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl lti...@redhat.com Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:51:37AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I'm a bit worried about this. We really want bundled libs to eventually go away (for any particular bundled lib). This seems like it could encourage permanently bundled libs. That is going to make Upstream code is full of bundled

Re: AutoQA Testcase Stats

2013-07-22 Thread Tim Flink
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: depcheck 363 runs ( 167 GOOD, 196 ERROR ) - 84 fc17 runs ( 84 GOOD, 0 ERROR ) - 151 fc18 runs ( 75 GOOD, 76 ERROR ) - 128 fc19 runs ( 8 GOOD, 120 ERROR ) repoclosure 48 runs ( 27

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:49, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 10:51 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:38:54 -0400, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Obviously, no-bundled-libs is a crucial part of the

Re: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think

Re: Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

2013-07-22 Thread Thomas Moschny
2013/7/22 Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi: I'd like to grep through all specfiles (and preferably also patches and sources in git) for rawhide, this time related to the unversioned docdirs F20 feature, and sometimes for other reasons. Hopefully there's a better way than to fedpkg clone all

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: * We need to be more than that Why? * Not widely used by RHEL users RHEL and Fedora could hardly be more different from each other. It's not an apple vs orange, it's fruit fly vs tortoise. In some ways RHEL

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:07, Robert Marcano a écrit : Fonts has licenses, some of them require the license to be shown or the copyright displayed, some fonts has the copyright added to their metadata, I don't find for example that gnu-free-serif-fonts says on it's metadata that is GPL+3

File Wx-GLCanvas-0.09.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by churchyard

2013-07-22 Thread Miro Hrončok
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Wx-GLCanvas: 4f6475010bd6e4231e2dbb3fb52bc642 Wx-GLCanvas-0.09.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:37 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. lack of clearly defined LAN infra : Windows comes with AD and local network sharing, our desktop comes with facebook clients. Guess which one is actually useful to produce code. Linux for

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:32 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:30:32PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: How do I package and ship an application that depends on

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: This is a draft of the proposal I'm presenting at Flock, An

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:39:33PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: This proposal doesn't seem to make rings 0 or 1 particularly more integrated - just smaller; and it places a higher barrier to entry to adding useful functionality to the core. I didn't intend to say that. Want to add new a

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:35:38AM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: This proposal is for a solid core which can be targeted by software stacks, which can be targeted by developers. Oh, initially I understood you were aiming for a fast-moving, highly integrated core, following systemd's lead.

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:53 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:27, Matthew Miller a écrit : On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:51:37AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I'm a bit worried about this. We really want bundled libs to eventually go

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:40:14PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup company, their developers are inevitably using a different (usually proprietary)

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk))

2013-07-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/22/2013 03:38 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:13:28PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 07/22/2013 02:52 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: What better time to move epel out of Fedora since is

[perl-Wx-GLCanvas/f19] Initial import (#978010)

2013-07-22 Thread Miro Hrončok
Summary of changes: 6212170... Initial import (#978010) (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.07.2013 16:53, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think it is a good idea to

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk))

2013-07-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/22/2013 02:52 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: What better time to move epel out of Fedora since is really not related to Fedora et all but is strictly for downstream distribution based upon us to use ( like RHEL and it's

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The Idea --- Focus core distro as platform, include layers of modular enabling technologies, and provide room for special interest groups to create solutions within the Fedora circle. OK, but I don't know

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:37, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : Desktop selection logic is no different. It's all about time/cost to be operational. If you reduce this (perceived) time/cost, you'll see startups adopting Fedora in droves, because startups only care about getting profitable/bought

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:30:32PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: How do I package and ship an application that depends on two or more stacks (e.g. uses a database, has a web frontend and perhaps also a local GUI) if

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Robert Marcano
On 07/19/2013 01:13 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Robert Marcano rob...@marcanoonline.com wrote: Not all fonts installed had the same licensing requirement, people install fonts from other places that are not as careful as Fedora with the licenses. It is

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 10:51 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:38:54 -0400, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Obviously, no-bundled-libs is a

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: This is a draft of the proposal I'm presenting at Flock, An Architecture for a More Agile Fedora (http://sched.co/19ugKGM). (The more

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:27:08 -0400, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Running two instances to get two sets of services has been the best practice since about 1995. :) When you have money. For hobbiests that may not always apply. -- devel mailing list

[perl-Wx-GLCanvas] Initial import (#978010)

2013-07-22 Thread Miro Hrončok
commit 62121700b7021760de0f5187caaed121865caa88 Author: Miro Hrončok m...@hroncok.cz Date: Mon Jul 22 17:38:06 2013 +0200 Initial import (#978010) .gitignore|1 + perl-Wx-GLCanvas.spec | 66 + sources |1 +

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:53:19PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Well, obviously Someone is doing that quite a lot anyway. Fedora needs to continue to avoid that. Here is where work with upstream comes in -- if we put the same effort into reviewing packages in Fedora into reviewing the

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:56, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:37 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. lack of clearly defined LAN infra : Windows comes with AD and local network sharing, our desktop comes with facebook clients. Guess

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:30:32PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup company, their developers are inevitably using a different (usually

Re: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:53:36PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think it

Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Hi has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think it is a good idea to bring it to a broader userbase! ReadOnlyDirectories=/etc ReadOnlyDirectories=/usr

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-07-21 at 18:55 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Where is the desktop notification solution in Fedora? There is none able to even remotely approach the capabilities of the cron + MTA bits you so dislike. You're ascribing emotions to a proposal where none exist. No-one said they 'so

Re: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 00:02, Reindl Harald a écrit : Hi has anybody considered to put the following as default in systemd-units of network services? cross-posting to users-list intented because i think it is a good idea to bring it to a broader userbase! ReadOnlyDirectories=/etc

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:39:33PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: This proposal doesn't seem to make rings 0 or 1 particularly more integrated - just smaller; and it places a higher barrier to entry to adding useful

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:30:32PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup company, their developers are inevitably using a different (usually proprietary) desktop OS, plus a non-Fedora distribution on their code. We're being left

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 19.07.13 19:37, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: However, having the /usr/sbin/sendmail API available to applications is valuable - it brings a significant system administration benefit of centralizing the SMTP configuration. Sure it is valuable. However, it's also a pretty bad

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk))

2013-07-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:58 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Our Fedora infrastructure team should be using Fedora it's an disgrace to the community for them not doing so. That's something else that this policy could potentially addresses, frankly. The

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 15:38, Matthew Miller a écrit : Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup company, their developers are inevitably using a different (usually proprietary) desktop OS, plus a non-Fedora distribution on their code. And the main reason has

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk))

2013-07-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:08:32 -0400 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:58 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Our Fedora infrastructure team should be using Fedora it's an disgrace to the community for them not doing

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Lots of interesting things here. But I just had a few things that triggered off of Kevin's message so: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:21:39AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:38:54 -0400 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Some approaches may even move beyond RPM

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk))

2013-07-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/22/2013 04:34 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:08:32 -0400 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:58 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Our Fedora infrastructure team should be using Fedora it's an disgrace

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-07-21 at 09:47 -0700, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I'm not sure if I'm missing anything here, but is it intended that webapps should not be accessible from anywhere but localhost

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 19.07.13 13:17, Billy Crook (billycr...@gmail.com) wrote: Sendmail stays in Default unless there is compelling reason to switch to postfix, exim, meta1, etc. Those users who wish to remove it are welcome to do so. Nobody is stopping them. The default configuration of sendmail poses

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 18:01, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:53 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:27, Matthew Miller a écrit : On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:51:37AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I'm a bit worried

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