On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 08:38 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary
On 05/06/2013 02:09 AM, Lars Seipel wrote:
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 01:03:11AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
However, unless your installer image is signed, checking RPM signatures
in anaconda is pointless (which is why the feature you mentioned is
based on Secure Boot). If someone was going to the
On 09/05/13 08:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
l...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
You can call lacking online access justification stupid if you want,
you forgot there are users who still prefer DVD installation rather than
spin. You wanted to remove
On 02/05/13 05:46 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 20:26:13 -0400,
Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
Bill Nottingham writes:
Anyway, here are my suggestions:
valgrind
eclipse
gimp
kdegames
I don't think gimp is that great of a choice to drop. That's a tool
On 03/05/13 11:50 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
Of course there is. Yet, we remove things like GCC from the default
install. Why?
or a design suite
I don't think this is needed on the DVD. This should be a separate
spin (I think it is already). One can always yum install gimp after
having a working
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
l...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
-1. Design Suite package is for those lacking online access and wanting to
use available applications.
I see a lot of stupid justifications for lacking online access. AN
ENTIRE SPIN is not enough?
Would you like
- Original Message -
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dropped
java-1.8.0-openjdk in
The discussion on what to drop from the install DVD and some of the live
images is possible going to heated as people argue the case for packages
they want to keep on the media. Please treat your fellow developers with
respect during this discussion. Please try to provide reasoned arguments
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 08:38 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in
On 09/05/13 02:05 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
l...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
-1. Design Suite package is for those lacking online access and wanting to
use available applications.
I see a lot of stupid justifications for lacking online access. AN
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
l...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
You can call lacking online access justification stupid if you want,
you forgot there are users who still prefer DVD installation rather than
spin. You wanted to remove the entire Design suite package set
On 05/04/2013 08:03 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com said:
On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com said:
Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall?
I believe so.
On 5 May 2013, at 20:31, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com said:
- the checksums for netinstall images are signed with a Fedora key
- the corresponding public key is made available through https
- therefore the integrity of installer images can be verified
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
mirroring a single DVD image is much
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 01:03:11AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
However, unless your installer image is signed, checking RPM signatures
in anaconda is pointless (which is why the feature you mentioned is
based on Secure Boot). If someone was going to the trouble of changing
the RPM signatures,
Once upon a time, Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com said:
- the checksums for netinstall images are signed with a Fedora key
- the corresponding public key is made available through https
- therefore the integrity of installer images can be verified
That's only verifiable after the fact (when
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com said:
On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com said:
Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall?
I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't
On 4 May 2013, at 02:03, Chris Adams wrote:
Creating a complete chain of trust is hard.
Sure, creating a complete chain of trust is hard, but the closest
thing we have to it today is downloading an iso and verifying its
checksum -- and trusting that (a) the release team verified the
On 05/01/2013 10:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
2) The web server environment
Contains web server and web server runtimes (PHP, JBoss, Mongo, perl,
python, rails)
+1
If you are running web server, then you probably have internet
connection. It is not necessary gigabit ethernet, but on the
- Original Message -
On 05/01/2013 06:37 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all?
Do we distribute DVDs?
Yes. Check with Fedora Ambassadors in EMEA.
No. For Fedora 18, we did not have installation DVD media
produced. One reason was missing
- Original Message -
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
of course, just like anything else, but they are
- Original Message -
On 05/01/2013 10:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
2) The web server environment
Contains web server and web server runtimes (PHP, JBoss, Mongo, perl,
python, rails)
+1
If you are running web server, then you probably have internet
connection. It is not
On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
of
- Original Message -
On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from
Once upon a time, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com said:
But I tend to agree with trend - aim on users with DVDs, developers are
usually able to bring stuff for theirs development needs (and there are
much more options to select the right set than desktops). So count me
+1 to remove it.
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:45:51PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE
On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
mirroring a single DVD image is much easier than mirroring
an entire web install tree.
Surely if you are mass creating vm's
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:54:37 -0500,
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install
DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs
for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support
in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by
DVD size and produce larger images. (Note the source rpm image is larger
than a DVD
Am 03.05.2013 15:45, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what should and
should not be on it.
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
because it is
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:59:42PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
mirroring a single DVD image is much easier than
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500,
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support
in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by
DVD size and
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said:
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500,
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
At this point, why is there a source RPM ISO? Does anybody actually use
it to get source RPMs?
I suspect it is mainly for GPL compliance. It has the
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
Surely if you are mass creating vm's you use ks + cobbler and or
spacewalk to do that instead af ISO file.
Both of those require you to deploy extra infrastructure, which isn't
needed if using the ISO. Different approaches suit different people,
On 05/03/2013 02:34 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:59:42PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
snip
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
JBG
I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you could NOT
specify a file system different
On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
snip
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
JBG
I don't know if it is still the case, but historically
On 05/03/2013 12:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
snip
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
JBG
I don't
On 3 May 2013, at 09:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what
should and should not be on it.
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
When you
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall
and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
JBG
I used to use the DVD at one
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall
and or ks
On 05/03/2013 01:14 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote:
So, in the end, I had to do all the installations with a DVD, then do
updates from our internal Fedora repo.
I've been meaning to file a bug about this, but haven't found the time
yet.
You could try the latest dev release of Fedora 19 and see
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said:
- Original Message -
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
of
On 05/03/2013 02:16 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Hm, I've always thought of it differently - if we're trying to provide
good value in the DVD media as a demonstration of all the things you
can do with Fedora, isn't there more value in a development
workstation, or a design suite, or a web
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Hm, I've always thought of it differently - if we're trying to provide good
value in the DVD media as a demonstration of all the things you can do with
Fedora
It did. Until I couldn't install multiple desktops anymore.
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com said:
Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall?
I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a
corrupt package).
Does netinstall even work well?
Certainly. I actually haven't installed Fedora (or
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 08:54 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install
DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs
for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you
could have a Desktop DVD
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 16:22 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
snip
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
JBG
I don't know if it is still the case,
On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com said:
Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall?
I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a
corrupt package).
Are you sure that signatures are
I usually install either from the default desktop Live media or the network
install, depending on what I'm doing. The advantages to the net install are
1. The image fits on damn near anything. I think it's too big for one of
those 220 MB mini-CDs now but a 512 MB USB stick or a regular CD is
Am 01.05.2013 22:48, schrieb Ben Cotton:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
gnome-getting-started-docs.noarch -- is this really needed? Why
doesn't Gnome 3 get docs online or something?
It's entirely possible that someone who is downloading the DVD
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Robert Relyea rrel...@redhat.com wrote:
Thunderbird is new? Drop it.
Hardly new since I've been using it on Fedora for 8 years now.
bob
New to the DVD.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Ben Cotton bcot...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
It's entirely possible that
On 05/01/2013 10:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dropped
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 16:48:28 -0400,
Ben Cotton bcot...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
gnome-getting-started-docs.noarch -- is this really needed? Why
doesn't Gnome 3 get docs online or something?
It's entirely possible
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 01:55:29PM -0700, Robert Relyea wrote:
Thunderbird is new? Drop it.
Hardly new since I've been using it on Fedora for 8 years now.
It's not a new package. Rather, it's new for the installation DVD.
Fedora 18 did not include thunderbird on the install DVD:
On 05/01/2013 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
That's almost certainly more than can be fixed by trimming around the
edges; we need to remove actual functionality that's on the DVD.
Options include:
1) One/some of the
(batching a couple of replies)
Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said:
I notice that both mariadb-server and community-mysql-server are on
the list. Given that FESCo decided some time ago that the preferred
version was going to be MariaDB (but that we were going to permit
MySQL to
On 05/01/2013 10:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
Why is wayland being included? Last I checked we are still using X11.
42596 wayland-devel.x86_64
21216 libwayland-client-devel.x86_64
14860 libwayland-cursor.x86_64
7204libwayland-cursor-devel.x86_64
Thunderbird is new?
Bill Nottingham writes:
The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
That's almost certainly more than can be fixed by trimming around the
edges; we need to remove actual functionality that's on the DVD.
Options include:
1) One/some of the desktops
F19 DVD
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 16:21:09 -0400,
Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD,
On 05/01/2013 04:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
I've dropped
java-1.8.0-openjdk in the kickstart already, but that won't be enough.
As a maintainer of java-1.8.0-openjdk, I am sad to see it get dropped,
but given the circumstances, this makes sense. It's a preview after all.
Here's
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled
On 05/02/2013 10:05 AM, Matthias Runge wrote:
On 05/01/2013 10:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the
Hi
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:05 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com
wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
Why is wayland being included?
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 02:37:00 +0100,
Pádraig Brady p...@draigbrady.com wrote:
Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all?
I think the target is actually 4 GiB for file system reasons. It makes
downloading to some older files systems possible.
Do we distribute DVDs?
If so
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 20:26:13 -0400,
Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
Bill Nottingham writes:
Anyway, here are my suggestions:
valgrind
eclipse
gimp
kdegames
I don't think gimp is that great of a choice to drop. That's a tool that
I think some of the less technical of our
On 05/02/2013 01:30 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
It depends what should dvd offer. I guess we want there everything cool,
so new users don't have to install additional packages outside of dvd.
Otherwise we could offer only minimal installation.
Marcela
Exactly.
Would anybody expect to set
On 05/01/2013 06:37 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all?
Do we distribute DVDs?
Yes. Check with Fedora Ambassadors in EMEA.
If so couldn't we use a newer DVD standard?
That would reduce coverage significantly.
The de facto standard (what customers have)
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Matthias Runge
mru...@matthias-runge.de wrote:
Would anybody expect to set up a development system without networking
connection?
Maybe they're frequently on the road or only develop for their local
machine. Is it a rare use case? Probably.
The big issue with
Dne 1.5.2013 22:21, Bill Nottingham napsal(a):
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dropped
Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said:
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 16:21:09 -0400,
Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
On 2 May 2013 15:15, John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote:
On 05/01/2013 06:37 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all?
Do we distribute DVDs?
Yes. Check with Fedora Ambassadors in EMEA.
If so couldn't we use a newer DVD standard?
That would reduce
Once upon a time, John5342 john5...@gmail.com said:
I think USB sticks will become much more usable when Fedora allows booting
from iso images like some other distributions already do. Currently the
standard way involves completely overwriting everything on the stick (1
distribution per
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
(batching a couple of replies)
That would be up to the Cinnamon maintainer, who is the one that
is including it.
As cinnamon comaintainer and MATE maintainer I'll switch them both to
evolution today.
Dan
--
devel
On May 2, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
This is pretty much what happened with CD images. Eventually this will
change, but it isn't clear to me that this is the right time to make that
change.
CentOS 6 uses two DVD images. Apple, before dropping DVD's with new
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Anyway, here are my suggestions:
...
kdegames
I'll see if I can help make that happen (replaced by kdegames-minimal)
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On 2 May 2013 16:59, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Once upon a time, John5342 john5...@gmail.com said:
I think USB sticks will become much more usable when Fedora allows
booting
from iso images like some other distributions already do. Currently the
standard way involves completely
Il 02/05/2013 18:08, Chris Murphy ha scritto:
On May 2, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
This is pretty much what happened with CD images. Eventually this
will change, but it isn't clear to me that this is the right time
to make that change.
CentOS 6 uses two DVD
Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) said:
On May 2, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
This is pretty much what happened with CD images. Eventually this will
change, but it isn't clear to me that this is the right time to make that
change.
CentOS 6 uses
Is there actual data from what people 'yum install' we could use to make
decisions? I suspect most people install from the desktop default media and
then just add the stuff they want. If we know what that stuff they want
is, that's what should be on the DVD.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Bill
On May 2, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Chained images? We dropped split media support in the installer, so it
would need to be two different images without installer changes.
Or a feature of first boot to call yum to install user selectable things such
as the
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 10:34 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
Is there actual data from what people 'yum install' we could use to
make decisions? I suspect most people install from the desktop default
media and then just add the stuff they want. If we know what that
stuff they want is,
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 10:08 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On May 2, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
This is pretty much what happened with CD images. Eventually this will
change, but it isn't clear to me that this is the right time to make that
change.
On 05/02/2013 03:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
of course, just like anything else,
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 17:44 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
REMOVED PACKAGES
NAMESIZE
authconfig-gtk106120
I am slightly worried about this removal. This means you won't be able
to configure remote authentication
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 16:30 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 05/02/2013 03:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 01:00 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 17:44 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
REMOVED PACKAGES
NAMESIZE
authconfig-gtk106120
I am slightly worried about this removal. This means
On 05/02/2013 07:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
We already provide that and have for years. It's the netinst.iso /
boot.iso image. It just includes anaconda and pulls everything else
from the repos.
Mixed mode might be useful. Groups available in media would be listed
first followed by
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 19:26 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/02/2013 07:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
We already provide that and have for years. It's the netinst.iso /
boot.iso image. It just includes anaconda and pulls everything else
from the repos.
Mixed mode might be useful.
On 05/02/2013 07:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
There's some newUI wrinkles there; for F18, the DVD media actually could
not supplement the install from online repos (pre-newUI this was always
possible). I think this is meant to be possible again in F19, but I
didn't get around yet to checking if
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 21:50 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/02/2013 07:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
There's some newUI wrinkles there; for F18, the DVD media actually could
not supplement the install from online repos (pre-newUI this was always
possible). I think this is meant to be
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 19:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 21:50 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/02/2013 07:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
There's some newUI wrinkles there; for F18, the DVD media actually could
not supplement the install from online repos
The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
That's almost certainly more than can be fixed by trimming around the
edges; we need to remove actual functionality that's on the DVD.
Options include:
1) One/some of the desktops
F19 DVD currently includes
- GNOME
- KDE
-
Yes I noticed that. One possibility would to so a separate server based
distro like Ubuntu does, and maybe a developer one too ? Just a thought.
On 1 May 2013 21:03, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
That's almost
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
That's almost certainly more than can be fixed by trimming around the
edges; we need to remove actual functionality that's on the DVD.
Options
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dropped
java-1.8.0-openjdk in the kickstart already, but that
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On 05/01/2013 04:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that
lots of unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing
media.
Here's everything new in
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
gnome-getting-started-docs.noarch -- is this really needed? Why
doesn't Gnome 3 get docs online or something?
It's entirely possible that someone who is downloading the DVD image
intends to install on a machine that doesn't
Thunderbird is new? Drop it.
Hardly new since I've been using it on Fedora for 8 years now.
bob
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