Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:29:46 +0200 > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:55:56 +0200 My apologies for these repetitions. I had hoped that the queue dropped them either because of their mail header deficiencies or because i was not subscribed when i sent them. Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Chris Adams wrote: > Although: now that I look at the ISO structure with isoinfo, it does > appear that the files are not actually duplicated ECMA-119 (ISO 9660 for free) allows the equivalent to hardlinking by 6.5.1 Relation to File Sections ... A File Section may be part of more

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Neal Gompa wrote: > Could we just drop syslinux/isolinux and use GRUB there? Other > distributions have done that I understand Ubuntu did it just yesterday. https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.10/ubuntu-20.10-desktop-amd64.iso The lesson from

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > There isn't something like a link > count field in the directory listing, so this is *not* visible with > "ls". There is something like a link count field. But a link count > 1 makes full sense only if the link siblings have the same inode number. Those numbers can be

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-26 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > > That's curious, when I mount the server dvd ISO, those files have > > different inode numbers. > > Sorry for the late reply on this, yet, they are hardlinked. Well, iso9660 is pretty simple. File data is basically referenced as "offset,length". So hardlinked files can be trivially

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Chris Adams wrote: > Although: now that I look at the ISO structure with isoinfo, it does > appear that the files are not actually duplicated ECMA-119 (ISO 9660 for free) allows the equivalent to hardlinking by 6.5.1 Relation to File Sections ... A File Section may be part of more

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Neal Gompa wrote: > Could we just drop syslinux/isolinux and use GRUB there? Other > distributions have done that I understand Ubuntu did it just yesterday. https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.10/ubuntu-20.10-desktop-amd64.iso The lesson from

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 09:56:11AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:18 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > > > Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said: > > > Although: now that I look at the ISO structure with isoinfo, it does > > appear that the files are not actually duplicated - they

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 2020-10-23 17:56, Chris Murphy wrote: That's curious, when I mount the server dvd ISO, those files have different inode numbers. I can't tell from the isoinfo man page what the numbers in brackets mean. Even if inodes are different, data blocks can be reused. The filesystem is readonly so

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:33 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 1:39 AM Chris Murphy wrote: > > I'm not sure it's possible (still) for UEFI and BIOS GRUB to co-exist > > on one media, hence using isolinux to boot BIOS. > Could we just drop syslinux/isolinux and use GRUB there?

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:18 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said: > Although: now that I look at the ISO structure with isoinfo, it does > appear that the files are not actually duplicated - they are pointing to > the same sectors. Reading the genisoimage man page, it

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 1:39 AM Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 5:35 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > > > Once upon a time, Brian C. Lane said: > > > I tried :) It ends up that there are users who boot the install.img with > > > fips=1 which means it needs to be present. It was removed

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Well, there is value in having the vmlinuz/initrd.img directly available > on the ISO (for people setting up PXE boot for example). I don't see > any reason for there to be an images/pxelinux directory though - you can > just get the

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-23 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 5:35 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Brian C. Lane said: > > > I tried :) It ends up that there are users who boot the install.img with > > > fips=1 which means it needs to be present. It was removed for a bit, and > > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 5:35 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Brian C. Lane said: > > I tried :) It ends up that there are users who boot the install.img with > > fips=1 which means it needs to be present. It was removed for a bit, and > > then I reverted the removal: > > > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Brian C. Lane said: > I tried :) It ends up that there are users who boot the install.img with > fips=1 which means it needs to be present. It was removed for a bit, and > then I reverted the removal: > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:56:26PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Martin Kolman said: > > I wonder if this can also help make the boot isos and installation images > > smaller ? I'm sure they haver some firmware on > > them. Or alternatively we could reduce the potentially quite

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Martin Kolman said: > I wonder if this can also help make the boot isos and installation images > smaller ? I'm sure they haver some firmware on > them. Or alternatively we could reduce the potentially quite meintenance > intensive firmware culling we do at the moment. One

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 02:46:47PM +0200, Martin Kolman wrote: > I wonder if this can also help make the boot isos and installation images > smaller ? I'm sure they haver some firmware on > them. Or alternatively we could reduce the potentially quite meintenance > intensive firmware culling we

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Martin Kolman
On Thu, 2020-10-22 at 14:57 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:47 PM Martin Kolman wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 16:29 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware > > > > > > == Summary == > > > Compress Kernel Firmwares

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:47 PM Martin Kolman wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 16:29 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware > > > > == Summary == > > Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size > > > > == Owner == > > * Name:

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Martin Kolman
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 16:29 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware > > == Summary == > Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size > > == Owner == > * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > * Email: [mailto:pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org|

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:46:14PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:41 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-10-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:46:14PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:41 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware > > > > > > == Summary == > > > Compress Kernel

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:41 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware > > > > == Summary == > > Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size > > > > == Owner == > > * Name:

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-09-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware > > == Summary == > Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size > > == Owner == > * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > * Email: [mailto:pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org|

F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-09-29 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware == Summary == Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size == Owner == * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] * Email: [mailto:pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org| pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org] == Detailed Description == Since the

F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-09-29 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware == Summary == Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size == Owner == * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] * Email: [mailto:pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org| pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org] == Detailed Description == Since the