On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 12:57 -0500, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
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> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 08:04, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 20:36 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto
> >
> > > No. This is one of those many myths about the "Unix FHS". And
Once upon a time, Stephen Smoogen said:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 08:04, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > Fedora old school (or just me I don't know ) don't use sudo , sudo is a
> > bad idea that came from Ubuntu and turn computer much more insecure ,
>
> sudo has been part of the Red Hat/Fedora family
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 08:04, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 20:36 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto
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> > No. This is one of those many myths about the "Unix FHS". And it
> > doesn't even matter much these days anyway, since most newer
> >
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 09:17 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 8:04 AM Sérgio Basto
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 20:36 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 20:14 +, Neal
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 8:04 AM Sérgio Basto wrote:
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> On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 20:36 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 20:14 +, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Gary Buhrmaster
> > >
On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 20:36 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 20:14 +, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Gary Buhrmaster
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 5:44 AM Roy Bekken wrote:
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> On fredag 23. februar 2024 02:36:38 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
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> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 20:14 +, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Gary
On fredag 23. februar 2024 02:36:38 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
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> > On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 20:14 +, Neal Gompa wrote:
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> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Gary Buhrmaster
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
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> On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 20:14 +, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Gary Buhrmaster
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wiki ->
On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 20:14 +, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Gary Buhrmaster
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
> > >
> >
> > One additional item to
On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 2:54 PM Gary Buhrmaster
wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
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> > Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
> >
>
> One additional item to consider is to review
> the packager guidelines for use of /sbin
> (and
On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 8:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> We cannot change this without breaking backward compatibility. It'll
> have to stay that way until RHEL 9 falls out of support.
Is someone collecting the cleanup TODO list
for ~ mid-2032? (schedules subject to change,
of course)
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On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Gary Buhrmaster
wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
> >
> > Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
> >
>
> One additional item to consider is to review
> the packager guidelines for use of /sbin
> (and
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
>
> Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
>
One additional item to consider is to review
the packager guidelines for use of /sbin
(and /usr/sbin) in additional locations from
those involved directly with installing
Ben Beasley writes:
> sestatus
This is based on upstream commit d464187c37529c [1]:
policycoreutils: sestatus belongs to bin not sbin
It is quite useful even to non-privileged users and doesn't require any
privileges to work, except for maybe -v.
Some tools hard code
I attempted a quick check:
$ repoquery -q --repo=rawhide -l -a | tee >(
grep -E '^/usr/bin/[^/]+$' | sort -u | xargs -n 1 basename >
bin.txt
) | grep -E '^/usr/sbin/[^/]+$' | sort -u | xargs -n 1 basename
> sbin.txt
$ wc -l bin.txt sbin.txt
31229 bin.txt
On 09/01/2024 18.53, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 03:51:26PM +0100, Sjoerd Mullender wrote:
On 08/01/2024 14.41, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:02:55AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney
On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:51 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> $ dnf5 repoquery --whatprovides '/usr/sbin/exabpg-*'
> (no answer)
>
If you spell exabgp correctly (not exabpg) it works somewhat better.
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On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 03:51:26PM +0100, Sjoerd Mullender wrote:
> On 08/01/2024 14.41, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:02:55AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Wiki ->
On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 02:34:05PM +0100, Petr Pisar wrote:
> V Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 09:42:41PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> napsal(a):
> > On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 03:26:45PM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > >
On 08/01/2024 14.41, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:02:55AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
I agree unifying the *programs* to a single
V Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 09:42:41PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a):
> On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 03:26:45PM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > > $ dnf5 repoquery -l $(dnf5 repoquery --whatprovides '/usr/sbin/*' --qf
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 9:43 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> Indeed. With both dnf-5 and dnf5, the inner repoquery doesn't list exabgp.
> Either a bug or I'm doing something wrong.
And while I can hope that exabgp might be the
singleton case, I really don't think you, or I, or
other
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 03:26:45PM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 03:47:25PM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wiki ->
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
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> On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 03:47:25PM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > >
> > > Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
> > >
> >
> > I do not see
On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 04:58:23AM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > Aoife Moloney wrote:
> >> == Summary ==
> >> The `/usr/sbin` directory becomes a symlink to `bin`, which means
> >> paths like `/usr/bin/foo` and `/usr/sbin/foo` point to the same place.
>
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:02:55AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > >
> > > Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
> > >
>
> I agree unifying the *programs* to a single directory makes sense. But I
> fail to
On Sun, Jan 07, 2024 at 03:47:25PM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
> >
> > Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
> >
>
> I do not see as part of the plan a process to
> go through all Fedora packages and identifying
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 08:14:49AM +0100, Petr Pisar wrote:
> V Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:20:11AM +0100, Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
> >
> > Dne 20. 12. 23 v 20:53 Aoife Moloney napsal(a):
> > > ** Adjust `%_sbindir` in `/usr/lib/rpm/macros` (part of `rpm`
> > > package). Packages will be updated
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 06:15:13PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 06:58:37PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > * Aoife Moloney:
> >
> > > == Detailed Description ==
> > > The split between `/bin` and `/sbin` is not useful, and also unused.
> >
> > Programs in /usr/bin
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
I agree unifying the *programs* to a single directory makes sense. But I
fail to see anything good come out of bringing all those system daemon
executables into every
V Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:20:11AM +0100, Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
>
> Dne 20. 12. 23 v 20:53 Aoife Moloney napsal(a):
> > ** Adjust `%_sbindir` in `/usr/lib/rpm/macros` (part of `rpm`
> > package). Packages will be updated automatically during the mass
> > rebuild.
>
>
> Isn't the ultimate goal
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:54 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
>
> Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
>
I do not see as part of the plan a process to
go through all Fedora packages and identifying
binaries in /usr/bin that have the same name
as a binary in /usr/sbin (from
Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Aoife Moloney wrote:
>> == Summary ==
>> The `/usr/sbin` directory becomes a symlink to `bin`, which means
>> paths like `/usr/bin/foo` and `/usr/sbin/foo` point to the same place.
>> `/bin` and `/sbin` are already symlinks to `/usr/bin` and `/usr/sbin`,
>> so
Aoife Moloney wrote:
> == Summary ==
> The `/usr/sbin` directory becomes a symlink to `bin`, which means
> paths like `/usr/bin/foo` and `/usr/sbin/foo` point to the same place.
> `/bin` and `/sbin` are already symlinks to `/usr/bin` and `/usr/sbin`,
> so effectively `/bin/foo` and `/sbin/foo`
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 06:58:37PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Aoife Moloney:
>
> > == Detailed Description ==
> > The split between `/bin` and `/sbin` is not useful, and also unused.
>
> Programs in /usr/bin have their documentation in section 1 of the
> manual, while programs /usr/sbin
* Aoife Moloney:
> == Detailed Description ==
> The split between `/bin` and `/sbin` is not useful, and also unused.
Programs in /usr/bin have their documentation in section 1 of the
manual, while programs /usr/sbin are documented in section 8. (In
general, I deliberately used /usr/bin/ld.so
Dne 21. 12. 23 v 10:20 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
Dne 20. 12. 23 v 20:53 Aoife Moloney napsal(a):
** Adjust `%_sbindir` in `/usr/lib/rpm/macros` (part of `rpm`
package). Packages will be updated automatically during the mass
rebuild.
Isn't the ultimate goal to drop the `%_sbindir` all
Dne 20. 12. 23 v 20:53 Aoife Moloney napsal(a):
** Adjust `%_sbindir` in `/usr/lib/rpm/macros` (part of `rpm`
package). Packages will be updated automatically during the mass
rebuild.
Isn't the ultimate goal to drop the `%_sbindir` all together? Shouldn't
at minimum the packaging guidelines
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 2:55 PM Aoife Moloney wrote:
>
> ** Adjust `%_sbindir` in `/usr/lib/rpm/macros` (part of `rpm`
> package). Packages will be updated automatically during the mass
> rebuild.
This should probably be set in redhat-rpm-config instead of modifying
the core rpm package.
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