Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

Thomas Gilliard wrote: > This sounds like a use for https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/MultiWriter > let the people bring their own USB keys I already mentioned this sort of tool ("USB burning stations" – most of them were actually notebooks running software like this). It doesn't solve the problem

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

Chris Murphy wrote: > So if the context is 2Mbps or less, I'd think people would get > frustrated fairly quickly with the ~ 1GiB+ downloads Gnome Software > does in the background on first boot, with no UI for disabling it. That is just unacceptable behavior from GNOME Software and ought to be

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:41 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> U.S. rural areas? :-D > > I'm pretty rural, and even I have good internet. Maybe we need to > redefine "rural" to be independent of physicality :-) Yes it was sort of a ding on the state of affairs in the U.S. rather than

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Richard Ryniker wrote: >>an optical specific Live Workstation spin > > Sounds like the proper category: will not block a regular Fedora release, > will not consume test resources for primary Fedora deliverables, and will > provide a focus for

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

> U.S. rural areas? :-D I'm pretty rural, and even I have good internet. Maybe we need to redefine "rural" to be independent of physicality :-) > Based on feedback from Ambassadors, DVD images may still be useful > giveaways in regions with less access to bandwidth. I'm not sure what > to do

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:00:05PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Based on feedback from Ambassadors, DVD images may still be useful > > giveaways in regions with less access to bandwidth. I'm not sure what > > to do about that. > U.S. rural areas? :-D Possibly, although I think most people would

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Based on feedback from Ambassadors, DVD images may still be useful > giveaways in regions with less access to bandwidth. I'm not sure what > to do about that. U.S. rural areas? :-D Are we talking about the DVDs

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On 10/10/2016 03:48 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: This is already a problem. We're giving away DVDs because it's something to give away, not because it's what people really still want. We need to find out some other take-homes that people find useful and desirable *anyway*.

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

Matthew Miller wrote: > This is already a problem. We're giving away DVDs because it's > something to give away, not because it's what people really still want. > We need to find out some other take-homes that people find > useful and desirable *anyway*. > > Based on feedback from Ambassadors,

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > 1) Are there still cases where an admin would want to use optical media > on a machine that *could* boot via USB, for legitimate reasons? (I > genuinely don't know the answer to this). So far I've had to deal

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 09:03:44PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > 1) Are there still cases where an admin would want to use optical media > > on a machine that *could* boot via USB, for legitimate reasons? (I > > genuinely don't know the answer to this). > Is "I have a spare DVD±R around, but no

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 08:58:43AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Well, that's not the only consideration though. There's two other > factors I can think of: > 1) Are there still cases where an admin would want to use optical media > on a machine that *could* boot via USB, for legitimate reasons?

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:57:30PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Maybe it's practical to only support optical boot on either Lives or > netinstalls (and by extension server DVD). I'd say block on > netinstalls, just becase those can fit on either a DVD or CD, and > desktops and servers are more

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

Adam Williamson wrote: > 1) Are there still cases where an admin would want to use optical media > on a machine that *could* boot via USB, for legitimate reasons? (I > genuinely don't know the answer to this). Is "I have a spare DVD±R around, but no spare USB key" enough of a reason? (That was

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 01:08:13PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> explicit instructions for all three media types we care about (virtual >> disc attached to a VM, real optical disc in a real machine, real USB >>

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: I think the hardware on which Fedora will run well which cannot boot from USB media is vanishingly small. Like the piece of crap Samsung notebook I bought new in 2012. [:-/] ​ Using optical media feels so dirty, though I guess it does

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 01:08:13PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > explicit instructions for all three media types we care about (virtual > > disc attached to a VM, real optical disc in a real machine, real USB > > stick in a real

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 01:08:13PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > explicit instructions for all three media types we care about (virtual > disc attached to a VM, real optical disc in a real machine, real USB > stick in a real machine), we ditch the USB test matrices entirely, and I think we

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

> Hi folks! Sending this to devel@ as well as test@ as there's been some > relevant discussion there recently. We've been kicking around a couple > of issues lately: > > 1. Exactly what do we need to test and block on, in terms of writing > images to USB sticks? > > 2. 'Default boot and install'

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Sat, 2016-10-08 at 14:50 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > to summarize the changes - we improve the test case's wording to give > > explicit instructions for all three media types we care about (virtual > > disc attached to a VM, real optical disc in a real machine, real

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

Adam Williamson wrote: > to summarize the changes - we improve the test case's wording to give > explicit instructions for all three media types we care about (virtual > disc attached to a VM, real optical disc in a real machine, real USB > stick in a real machine), we ditch the USB test matrices

Re: Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Hi folks! Sending this to devel@ as well as test@ as there's been some > relevant discussion there recently. We've been kicking around a couple > of issues lately: > > 1. Exactly what do we need to test and block

Installation validation test change proposal: merge USB tests into 'default boot and install', add more environment columns

Hi folks! Sending this to devel@ as well as test@ as there's been some relevant discussion there recently. We've been kicking around a couple of issues lately: 1. Exactly what do we need to test and block on, in terms of writing images to USB sticks? 2. 'Default boot and install' table was