Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-17 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 14. 03. 22 v 23:23 John Reiser napsal(a): The default /etc/dnf/dnf.conf lists only a few options with no individual documentation, and contains no explicit pointer to more documentation.  I expect better: all reasonable attempts should lead quickly to the relevant documentation.  This is the

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 3/14/22 15:23, John Reiser wrote: On 3/14/22 12:23, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 3/14/22 09:34, John Reiser wrote: Just setting `deltarpm` to False in dnf.conf do the same. Just saying. The deltarpm option has low discoverability.  The information is available, but the discovery chain is too

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-14 Thread John Reiser
On 3/14/22 12:23, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 3/14/22 09:34, John Reiser wrote: Just setting `deltarpm` to False in dnf.conf do the same. Just saying. The deltarpm option has low discoverability.  The information is available, but the discovery chain is too long and not explicit enough. The main

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 3/14/22 09:34, John Reiser wrote: Just setting `deltarpm` to False in dnf.conf do the same. Just saying. The deltarpm option has low discoverability.  The information is available, but the discovery chain is too long and not explicit enough. The main configuration file /etc/dnf/dnf.conf

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-14 Thread John Reiser
Just setting `deltarpm` to False in dnf.conf do the same. Just saying. The deltarpm option has low discoverability. The information is available, but the discovery chain is too long and not explicit enough. The main configuration file /etc/dnf/dnf.conf does not list each option, its default

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-14 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 07. 03. 22 v 6:29 Gary Buhrmaster napsal(a): One of the first things I did on a new install was remove deltarpm, and add it to the global exclude list so it would not get installed on a system/package upgrade. It was a pure win for my systems. Obviously your experience will vary. Why so

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-06 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 5:03 AM Gordon Messmer wrote: > I remember in the early days of deltarpm, it would frequently reduce the > download size on my systems by 70-90%. I know that some people disliked > that it made updates slower, but I always thought that reducing the > bandwidth costs at

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 3/6/22 10:29, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: I have always disliked deltarpms. They expand the size of the frequently downloaded metadata with little overall benefit. Wasn't Jonathan's point that the benefit is "little" because of infrastructure issues? I remember in the early days of

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-06 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 3/6/22 18:10, John Reiser wrote: > >> I have also strongly disliked deltarpms. They very rarely help and >> significantly increase attack surface. > If deltarpm succeeds and both the old .rpm and the new.rpm are signed, > then how is the attack surface larger, as long as any consumer >

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-06 Thread John Reiser
On 3/6/22 13:39, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: I have also strongly disliked deltarpms. They very rarely help and significantly increase attack surface. If deltarpm succeeds and both the old .rpm and the new.rpm are signed, then how is the attack surface larger, as long as any consumer verifies

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-06 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 3/6/22 13:29, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 8:51 AM Jonathan Dieter wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm orphaning deltarpm because, as it's currently used in Fedora, it's >> not very effective, bugs keep getting opened against it be

Re: Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-06 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 8:51 AM Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm orphaning deltarpm because, as it's currently used in Fedora, it's > not very effective, bugs keep getting opened against it because it's > not working as well as it should (mostly an infr

Orphaning deltarpm

2022-03-06 Thread Jonathan Dieter
Hi everyone, I'm orphaning deltarpm because, as it's currently used in Fedora, it's not very effective, bugs keep getting opened against it because it's not working as well as it should (mostly an infra issue as opposed to a problem with the tool itself), and I no longer have the time