Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 12:51 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 01:53:14PM +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 08:07:06AM -0800, Davide Cavalca wrote: > > > On 2023-11-21 04:34, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 12:21 AM Leslie Satenstein via devel wrote: > > > > I am a devout anaconda bigot, and I exclusively use the Everything.iso with > it. > Of course, I use it via terminal mode. > > A feature I relish in anaconda, is the ability to manage disks and > partitions.(using the

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:39 PM Jiri Konecny wrote: > > Hi, > > I wonder, I thought that the server images are usually using Anaconda to > create a user during installation. Am I missing something? For example there's cases where a vendor ships the OS pre-installed on the device and they won't

Re: [Anaconda-devel] Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-28 Thread mkolman
On Mon, 2023-11-27 at 08:51 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 8:13 AM wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 15:15 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 13:34 +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-27 Thread Dennis Gilmore via devel
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 6:51 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 01:53:14PM +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 08:07:06AM -0800, Davide Cavalca wrote: > > > On 2023-11-21 04:34, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-27 Thread Leslie Satenstein via devel
I am not sure of the difference between text mode and graphical mode, except that I am an end-user of anaconda,and I use it via the Everything.iso.  Therein, anaconda is a mixed mode, with text / graphical for partition management(creating, mounting,deleting) and graphical mode for application

Re: [Anaconda-devel] Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-27 Thread Dennis Gilmore via devel
On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 7:53 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 8:13 AM wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 15:15 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 13:34 +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2023-11-27 at 14:12 +0100, mkol...@redhat.com wrote: > On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 15:15 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 13:34 +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for your project or workflow? > > > What > > >

Re: [Anaconda-devel] Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 8:13 AM wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 15:15 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 13:34 +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for your project or workflow? > > > What > > > functionality is

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-27 Thread mkolman
On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 15:15 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 13:34 +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for your project or workflow? > > What > > functionality is absolutely necessary for you? Do you use the text > >

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-27 Thread Jiri Konecny
Hi, Good point, I forget about these deliverables are present. Best Regards, Jirka Dne 27. 11. 23 v 10:32 Gerd Hoffmann napsal(a): On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 01:38:27PM +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: Hi, I wonder, I thought that the server images are usually using Anaconda to create a user during

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-27 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 01:38:27PM +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder, I thought that the server images are usually using Anaconda to > create a user during installation. Am I missing something? Well, if you boot the install.iso and go through an anaconda install, then yes, users are

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-24 Thread Leslie Satenstein via devel
I am a devout anaconda bigot, and  I exclusively use the Everything.iso with it. Of course, I use it via terminal mode. A feature I relish in anaconda, is the ability to manage disks and partitions.(using the right most radio button)My system has 2 SSD and 6 disks, and with anaconda, I

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 13:38 +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder, I thought that the server images are usually using Anaconda to > create a user during installation. Am I missing something? No, I think you're right there. initial-setup is not part of the anaconda-deployed Server

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 13:34 +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for your project or workflow? What > functionality is absolutely necessary for you? Do you use the text mode > or the graphical mode? Are you aware of any alternatives? Is there >

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-24 Thread Jiri Konecny
Hi, I wonder, I thought that the server images are usually using Anaconda to create a user during installation. Am I missing something? Best Regards, Jirka Dne 22. 11. 23 v 13:53 Gerd Hoffmann napsal(a): On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 08:07:06AM -0800, Davide Cavalca wrote: On 2023-11-21 04:34,

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-23 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 01:53:14PM +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 08:07:06AM -0800, Davide Cavalca wrote: > > On 2023-11-21 04:34, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for your project or workflow? What > > > functionality is absolutely necessary for

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-22 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 08:07:06AM -0800, Davide Cavalca wrote: > On 2023-11-21 04:34, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for your project or workflow? What > > functionality is absolutely necessary for you? Do you use the text > > mode or the graphical mode? Are you aware

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-22 Thread Jiri Konecny
Hi Simon, I guess I'm not able to answer this question well. I'm not part of the Gnome Initial Setup development. We should probably ask Gnome Initial Setup maintainers and other maintainers. Best Regards, Jirka Dne 21. 11. 23 v 13:48 Simon de Vlieger napsal(a): Hi Jiri, On Tue, Nov 21,

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-21 Thread Davide Cavalca
On 2023-11-21 04:34, Jiri Konecny wrote: Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for your project or workflow? What functionality is absolutely necessary for you? Do you use the text mode or the graphical mode? Are you aware of any alternatives? Is there anything that would prevent you from

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-21 Thread Dennis Gilmore via devel
All of the Arm disk images use initial-setup to configure the image. There would need to a concrete plan on how to manage the transition to something else. Dennis On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 6:35 AM Jiri Konecny wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We (anaconda team) are considering discontinuation of

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-21 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 01:34:43PM +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We (anaconda team) are considering discontinuation of the Anaconda's Initial > Setup[0] tool, which is not related to Gnome Initial Setup. Here is a list > of the reasons: > > * The relationship between the

Re: Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-21 Thread Simon de Vlieger
Hi Jiri, On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Jiri Konecny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > * There are already alternatives: Gnome Initial Setup, > systemd-firstboot, and preparation for KDE solution of initial setup. So > the ecosystem changed from the time when Initial Setup was introduced. How

Possible deprecation/removal of Initial Setup from Fedora

2023-11-21 Thread Jiri Konecny
Hello everyone, We (anaconda team) are considering discontinuation of the Anaconda's Initial Setup[0] tool, which is not related to Gnome Initial Setup. Here is a list of the reasons: * The relationship between the installer and the Initial Setup is very fragile. It is easy to break the