Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-08-10 Thread Christopher Meng
On 8/11/15, Jens-Ulrik Petersen peter...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Do you think this is the way how regular users install software? I think a lot of people install yum groups. It is a pretty useful functionality IMO. If

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-08-10 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Do you think this is the way how regular users install software? I think a lot of people install yum groups. It is a pretty useful functionality IMO. If meta-packages become a viable replacement for comps then we can

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On July 29, 2015 2:06:52 PM PDT, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:45:57AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: ocaml The comps.xml group for ocaml is pretty weird. It has some mandatory base packages, which are OK-ish (although there are some notable ones

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 11:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: this thread, comps has things such as the (still mysterious to me) environment groups, Environment groups are, quite simply, groups of groups. That's the entirety of the matter. They have a 'grouplist' of member groups that are

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-29 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:45:57AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: ocaml The comps.xml group for ocaml is pretty weird. It has some mandatory base packages, which are OK-ish (although there are some notable ones missing such as ocaml-camlp4-devel and ocaml-labltk-devel). Then it has a strange set of

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-29 Thread Ben Boeckel
On Wed, 29 Jul, 2015 at 21:06:52 GMT, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I've never used comps.xml and don't really know what it is good for, except I know of the existence of some graphical tools which consume it. Richard Hughes's appdata seems like a more complete concept for people that want that

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 14.7.2015 v 22:22 Oron Peled napsal(a): On Tuesday 14 July 2015 10:13:43 Vít Ondruch wrote: Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly workaround for missing weak

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 14.7.2015 v 19:05 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:53:49 +0200 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... * The comps.xml groups also provide grouping for logically-connected packages that do not map to weak dependencies well. (For example: an astronomy group could

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/15/2015 10:20 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Description and Summary can be localized in .spec file [1], where supposedly names in comps terminology refers to summary in .spec terminology. Including translations is encouraged in guidelines as well [2, 3], unfortunately without any further details

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 15.7.2015 v 13:11 Martin Kolman napsal(a): On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 12:53 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 15.7.2015 v 12:21 Mathieu Bridon napsal(a): On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 10:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/15/2015 10:20 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Description and Summary can be localized in

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Mathieu Bridon
-- Mathieu On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 10:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/15/2015 10:20 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Description and Summary can be localized in .spec file [1], where supposedly names in comps terminology refers to summary in .spec terminology. Including translations is

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 15.7.2015 v 12:21 Mathieu Bridon napsal(a): On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 10:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/15/2015 10:20 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Description and Summary can be localized in .spec file [1], where supposedly names in comps terminology refers to summary in .spec

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Martin Kolman
On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 12:53 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 15.7.2015 v 12:21 Mathieu Bridon napsal(a): On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 10:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/15/2015 10:20 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Description and Summary can be localized in .spec file [1], where

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Rex Dieter
Vít Ondruch wrote: Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly workaround for missing weak dependencies, which we have now. Since your proposal to drop comps is based on an

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 10:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly workaround for missing

Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly workaround for missing weak dependencies, which we have now. Vít Dne 10.7.2015 v

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 14.7.2015 v 11:49 Neal Gompa napsal(a): On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com mailto:vondr...@redhat.com vondr...@redhat.comwrote: Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 14.7.2015 v 11:49 Neal Gompa napsal(a): On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com mailto:vondr...@redhat.comwrote: Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 10:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly workaround for missing

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Dne 14.7.2015 v 15:21 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a): On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 10:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:53:49 +0200 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... * The comps.xml groups also provide grouping for logically-connected packages that do not map to weak dependencies well. (For example: an astronomy group could pull in numerous scientific packages

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-14 Thread Oron Peled
On Tuesday 14 July 2015 10:13:43 Vít Ondruch wrote: Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly workaround for missing weak dependencies, which we have now. With all its