Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 10:44:22AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > If I was subscribed to some categories without doing anything, e.g. "Package > Reviews Swaps" (why I cannot copy the string from UI , this is precisely > the annoyance with web applications), why I have not been subscribed to >

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-14 Thread Aoife Moloney
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:08 PM Kevin Kofler via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. > > But every single announcement gets a reply on the mailing list (which is > not > properly threaded in

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:50 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 14. 09. 23 v 11:15 Emmanuel Seyman napsal(a): > > * Vít Ondruch [14/09/2023 10:50] : > >> Apart from documentation, where this was announced? On Discourse? Because I > >> don't remember any email about this change. > >

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 14. 09. 23 v 11:15 Emmanuel Seyman napsal(a): * Vít Ondruch [14/09/2023 10:50] : Apart from documentation, where this was announced? On Discourse? Because I don't remember any email about this change.

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-14 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Vít Ondruch [14/09/2023 10:50] : > > Apart from documentation, where this was announced? On Discourse? Because I > don't remember any email about this change. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/Z2T5WKUTHNLS2SVCVAWNYYRIBK3NGF32/ Emmanuel

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13. 09. 23 v 20:22 Stephen Smoogen napsal(a): On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 14:14, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 20:07 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. > >

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
If I was subscribed to some categories without doing anything, e.g. "Package Reviews Swaps" (why I cannot copy the string from UI , this is precisely the annoyance with web applications), why I have not been subscribed to "Change proposals"? Vít Dne 13. 09. 23 v 19:40 Matthew Miller

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Chris Adams wrote: > Do we really need to keep re-litigating decisions that some people don't > agree with? FESCo has set a precedent showing how effective that can be: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2923 So complain to them if you have an issue with decisions getting rehashed for rediscussion.

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > Even if you don't want to follow Fedora Discussion in general, to follow > > changes, you can go subscribe to just those by email. > > But I do not want to get the messages by e-mail. Do we really need to keep re-litigating

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Matthew Miller wrote: > Even if you don't want to follow Fedora Discussion in general, to follow > changes, you can go subscribe to just those by email. But I do not want to get the messages by e-mail. I want to use the one protocol actually designed for discussions, NNTP. Gmane allows following

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 04:32:34PM -0300, Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho wrote: > I've been trying this, but Discourse reverted part of my settings without > any warnings after a few months. > > I raised the issue here: >

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
Matthew Miller writes: > Everything is a balance. > > Even if you don't want to follow Fedora Discussion in general, to follow > changes, you can go subscribe to just those by email. > > 1. Sign in you with your Fedora account > > 2. Complete creating a Discussion account if you haven't already

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 14:14, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 20:07 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. > > > > But every single announcement gets a reply on the mailing list

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 20:07 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. > > But every single announcement gets a reply on the mailing list (which is not > properly threaded in KNode/Gmane, by the way) saying

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 13:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 12:19:05PM +0200, Sandro wrote: > > On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If > > > more people are responding in discourse than on the

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 10:46 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 13. 09. 23 v 9:08 Remi Collet napsal(a): > > Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > it is really a pain that the Change

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Adam Williamson wrote: > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. But every single announcement gets a reply on the mailing list (which is not properly threaded in KNode/Gmane, by the way) saying something like: > The discussion thread to provide feedback for this

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 09:08:57AM +0200, Remi Collet wrote: > Sadly it seems there is some email issues > > For a few days, tons of messages are lost > so, I also don't receive any of the recent change announcements > > BTW, I agree this dual channel is terrible for discussion > > I personally

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 12:19:05PM +0200, Sandro wrote: > On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote: > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If > >more people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that > >would seem to suggest that there*is* a reason

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Maxwell G
On Wed Sep 13, 2023 at 12:19 +0200, Sandro wrote: > On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote: > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If > > more people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that > > would seem to suggest that there*is* a reason to

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Eduard Lucena
Hello team, I don't want to enter a terrain where I don't belong, but I want to express my opinion. Since I understand that you don't want to and don't like the discourse interface, please take into account community participation in discussions. And my example is going to be the controversial

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Florian Weimer
* Pierre-Yves Chibon: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:46:04AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> If nothing else, the announcements were previously send to devel-announce >> with devel in CC, while the CC is not included anymore. IOW can we have >> devel back in CC, please? > > I'm pretty sure devel is

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:46:04AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 13. 09. 23 v 9:08 Remi Collet napsal(a): > > Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > it is really a pain that the

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 13.09.23 um 12:19 schrieb Sandro: On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote:  From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If more people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that would seem to suggest that there*is*  a reason to announce things

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Sandro
On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote: From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If more people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that would seem to suggest that there*is* a reason to announce things there... I'm quite sure Matthew (mattdm)

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13. 09. 23 v 9:08 Remi Collet napsal(a): Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: Hi, it is really a pain that the Change discussion is now hidden in a web forum behind a web link, instead of happening right here

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Remi Collet
Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: Hi, it is really a pain that the Change discussion is now hidden in a web forum behind a web link, instead of happening right here in this mailing list. It was promised that

Re: The new Change discussion process is painful

2023-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Hi, > > it is really a pain that the Change discussion is now hidden in a web forum > behind a web link, instead of happening right here in this mailing list. It > was promised that Discourse would NOT replace the mailing lists,