Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/11/2012 10:01 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 11/06/2012 06:07 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) And please, please, please could we trim quotes to relevant ones? Thanks! Ohmahgerd, thank you for saying that. I am all for bottom posting but the

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-11 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 11/06/2012 06:07 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) And please, please, please could we trim quotes to relevant ones? Thanks! -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process So give me the permission [1] as well as the others who requested it before me. Apparently the current owner doesn't care. You can compare the version history in koji [2] and [3] and if he doesn't care about one package, it is reasonable

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 6.11.2012 16:40, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a): On 11/06/2012 04:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/06/2012 01:07 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) Could you create fesco ticket for this package? I proposed usage of the script in Johann's ticket

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 09:49 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: You are still maintainer, you are still owner and you are notified by email about every change in your package, so you'll be able to catch such activity pretty soon and act accordingly. To be the devil's advocate, you do get the email

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 7.11.2012 09:52, Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 6.11.2012 16:40, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a): On 11/06/2012 04:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/06/2012 01:07 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) Could you create fesco ticket for this package? I proposed

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 7.11.2012 10:00, Pierre-Yves Chibon napsal(a): On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 09:49 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: You are still maintainer, you are still owner and you are notified by email about every change in your package, so you'll be able to catch such activity pretty soon and act accordingly. To

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:56:18 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process So give me the permission [1] as well as the others who requested it before me. Apparently the current owner doesn't care. You can compare the version history in koji [2] and [3] and if he doesn't

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 10:12 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 7.11.2012 10:00, Pierre-Yves Chibon napsal(a): On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 09:49 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: You are still maintainer, you are still owner and you are notified by email about every change in your package, so you'll be able to

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:56:18 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process So give me the permission [1] as well as the others who requested it before me. Apparently the current owner doesn't care. You can compare the version

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Björn Persson
Vít Ondruch wrote: Come on, there are the same alarmist who think that Wikipedia will be hijacked and destroyed but have it happened any time? Edit wars often break out on Wikipedia. That's not something I would like to see in Fedora. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 5.11.2012 10:22, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a): On 11/02/2012 06:57 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote:

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:28:11 AM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process Dne 5.11.2012 10:22, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a): On 11/02/2012 06:57 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:28:11 AM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process Dne 5.11.2012 10:22, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a): On 11/02/2012 06:57 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:55:27 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process I don't know what are you reading in my response, but I definitely did not propose anything like noone wants people that are ready to do one thing in a year. Vit Dne

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process I don't know what are you reading in my response, but I definitely did not propose anything like noone wants people that are ready to do one thing in a year. Vit Dne 6.11.2012 09:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): Where is the community spirit? What

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
Is it really that hard for you people to follow our mailing list guidelines[1]? JBG 1.https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:55:27 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process I don't know what are you reading in my response, but I definitely did not propose anything like noone wants people that are ready

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
- Original Message - From: Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:55:27 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process I don't know what are you reading in my response, but I definitely did not propose anything like noone

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:56:18 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process So give me the permission [1] as well as the others who requested it before me

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 6.11.2012 14:17, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:56:18 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process So give me the permission [1] as well

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/06/2012 02:24 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 6.11.2012 14:17, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:56:18 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/06/2012 01:07 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) Could you create fesco ticket for this package? I proposed usage of the script in Johann's ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/967#comment:7 Imho it might be better to give acl to more people, then

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/06/2012 04:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/06/2012 01:07 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) Could you create fesco ticket for this package? I proposed usage of the script in Johann's ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/967#comment:7 Imho

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 16:04:39 +0100, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: When I do not react upon requests, I usually either missed or forgot about the request or deliberately do not yet want to approve. That said, what I feel is missing in Fedora's pkgdb web-forms is an option to

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-05 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/02/2012 06:57 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= johan...@gmail.com

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/05/2012 09:22 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: You are using your use-case for everyone. If you insist on automatic process, then the metric should work with more data. It's good that we elected FESCO to find out and decide which appropriate metric data should be used to determine that...

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-03 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 9:20:05 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process On 11/02/2012 06:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Wrong. Do you know how

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-03 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 06:12:02PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/02/2012 06:05 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: No, they might simply have had nothing to do. Sometimes applications are stable, have no releases, and have no bugs files against them. sigh Then those individuals would

Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= johan...@gmail.com writes: On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:12:56PM +,

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= johan...@gmail.com writes: On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 17:57:57 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: Surely if an individual has not logged into for several months into our infrastructure he must be inactive no? Not necessarily. You can watch things without having to login to infrastructure. Unless

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote:

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 06:05 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: No, they might simply have had nothing to do. Sometimes applications are stable, have no releases, and have no bugs files against them. sigh Then those individuals would simply respond to the email that that was the case and they are still alive

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 7:57:57 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 06:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Wrong. Do you know how few of the problems we see in Eclipse land don't need fixes upstreams? And some of these issues require man/months (years sometimes) upstream before there is smth to show in Fedora. Don't make your assumptions based on

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com said: Surely if an individual has not logged into for several months into our infrastructure he must be inactive no? I maintain just a couple of low-overhead packages, and I haven't changed either in a couple of years. The only time