On Mar 25, 2014 8:27 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at
wrote:
My point is that it must ALSO be possible to install the preferred
desktop
directly, without installing GNOME first.
Exactly this.
Installing MATE
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 07:40 -0600, Pete Travis wrote:
On Mar 25, 2014 8:27 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at
wrote:
My point is that it must ALSO be possible to install the preferred
desktop
directly,
Il 21/mar/2014 12:59 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org ha scritto:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:28:26AM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
I agree with Jaroslav. I was looking forward to have a fourth
product to those three. KDE can help define what is needed for new
product, what must be
On Wed, 2014-03-26 at 08:27 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:
Il 21/mar/2014 12:59 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org ha
scritto:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:28:26AM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
I agree with Jaroslav. I was looking forward to have a fourth
product to those three. KDE
2014-03-26 8:47 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org:
On Wed, 2014-03-26 at 08:27 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:
[snip]
I think the same, if all spins become products we can also keep the
actual way. Fedora.next is a very good idea and I'm sure it will have
success, but it needs to
On 03/19/2014 11:52 AM, Tim Lauridsen wrote:
What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next ?
The Workstation WG, looks like a Gnome only thing, will there be at
place of users of other DE's in Fedora.next ?
Just create a working group surrounding each of these desktop
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 07:27:19PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote:
If we can keep the netinstall, which allows people to do exactly this,
then I really could careless what happens with workstation (and I'm
also a happy camper, as I imagine you and many others would be too).
I think generic, flexible
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 08:21 +, Dariusz J. Garbowski wrote:
On 25/03/14 03:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 17:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Saying that nobody wants this, it's madness, totally wacky,
almost all users are NOT going to put up with this is going
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/19/2014 11:52 AM, Tim Lauridsen wrote:
What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next ?
The Workstation WG, looks like a Gnome only thing, will there be at place
of users of other DE's in
On 25/03/14 03:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 17:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Saying that nobody wants this, it's madness, totally wacky,
almost all users are NOT going to put up with this is going rather
too
far. I think it's entirely worth the Desktop product making
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 07:07:43PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
Who the hell wants to install Gnome to install MATE or KDE or XFCE?
Nobody, it's madness.
I don't think anyone wants to _have_ to, but I think it would be great if we
made it _easy to_ for people who _do_ have Gnome installed
Adam Williamson wrote:
I think this is rather overstating the case. I certainly don't think
(and I already wrote) that it's enough to make everyone happy, but I
think it actually is what some people want. Quite a lot of people
install Ubuntu, for instance, and then add on GNOME or KDE or
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 21:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
I think this is rather overstating the case. I certainly don't think
(and I already wrote) that it's enough to make everyone happy, but I
think it actually is what some people want. Quite a lot of people
install
Adam Williamson wrote:
*My* point is that you should make your rhetoric match your point. Two
or three of those quotations were direct rips from your previous emails
on the topic. If you don't actually mean those things, then I suggest
not writing them.
I said it's madness and totally wacky
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:41:19PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
I said it's madness and totally wacky to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of
installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is
also what I said almost all users are NOT going to put up with.
I haven't heard anyone
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Matthew Miller
mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:41:19PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
I said it's madness and totally wacky to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of
installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is
also what I
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 05:09:09PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
I said it's madness and totally wacky to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of
installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is
also what I said almost all users are NOT going to put up with.
I haven't heard anyone
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Matthew Miller
mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 05:09:09PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
I said it's madness and totally wacky to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of
installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is
also what I
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
My point is that it must ALSO be possible to install the preferred desktop
directly, without installing GNOME first.
Exactly this.
Installing MATE from the spin is not exactly the same thing as
installing it from the
2014-03-23 3:48 GMT+01:00 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at:
Miloslav Trmač wrote:
When we say that there should be high bar for becoming a Fedora
Product,
that means that there should be few of them,
I see this repeated over and over by several people. This strikes me as
quite the
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Any other DE that wants to meet the requirements for Workstation is similarly
welcome.
So if we meet the requirements exactly what happens?
As far as I understand, all MATE would have to do is use gdm as the
display
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Yeah, this idea of having to install GNOME first to be able to install the
desktop you actually want is totally wacky, and if that is really what we
recommend to our users, they will run to other distributions (that
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 13:38 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote:
You always make sense. But nobody listens.
Who the hell wants to install Gnome to install MATE or KDE or XFCE?
Nobody, it's madness.
I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that spins are here to stay. Are spins
the best solution to this problem?
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 19:07 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 13:38 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote:
You always make sense. But nobody listens.
Who the hell wants to install Gnome to install MATE or KDE or XFCE?
Nobody, it's madness.
I think this is rather overstating the
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 17:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Saying that nobody wants this, it's madness, totally wacky,
almost all users are NOT going to put up with this is going rather
too
far. I think it's entirely worth the Desktop product making this
possible and I suspect quite a lot of
Tim Lauridsen wrote:
The most common user case would to install a spin with DE you want to use.
I dont think it matter much if Gnome software support installation of
evironments.
most other DE spins uses LightDM, so if you want a more lightweight DE,
you don't
install the Gnome Desktop first
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
One example is the policy that patches for packages should first be
submitted and accepted upstream before they make it into Fedora.
That policy is only a non-normative guideline (not part of any enforced
Fedora Guidelines or Policies). The decision is purely up to
Miloslav Trmač wrote:
When we say that there should be high bar for becoming a Fedora Product,
that means that there should be few of them,
I see this repeated over and over by several people. This strikes me as
quite the opposite of being inclusive.
IMHO, ALL the current Spins should
On 23.03.2014 03:45, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
One example is the policy that patches for packages should first be
submitted and accepted upstream before they make it into Fedora.
That policy is only a non-normative guideline (not part of any enforced
Fedora Guidelines
I would like to mention that DE spins are very important with regard to the
ARM7 arch. Gnome shell may or might not be working in arm so kde and the
other DE spins are really important. Mostly kde from a QA perspective. As a
primary architecture I feel this deserve extra considering. Arm QA is
- Original Message -
On 03/19/2014 01:09 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
There is also a proposal for a Fedora Plasma product based around KDE.
I'm
personally a little skeptical but listening -- I think want a technology
showcase masquerading as a product would miss the point, and I'd
On 03/21/2014 10:02 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
On 03/19/2014 01:09 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
There is also a proposal for a Fedora Plasma product based around KDE.
I'm
personally a little skeptical but listening -- I think want a technology
showcase masquerading as
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:28:26AM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
I agree with Jaroslav. I was looking forward to have a fourth
product to those three. KDE can help define what is needed for new
product, what must be done by all teams, how much work it will be
... I guess we should speak more
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 12:59:01 PM
Subject: Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014
On 21.03.2014 13:24, Christian Schaller wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org
To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 12:59:01 PM
Subject: Re: What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate,
2014-03-21 10:02 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com:
KDE should not be a top level Product. In my opinion, Fedora should only
produce the currently listed 3 Products and not more. Otherwise we get
back at square 1 where we have too many offerings and nobody knows what
makes a
2014-03-21 14:46 GMT+01:00 Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de:
As I perceive it one of the biggest problems for Fedora as a development
platform for new technologies is that everything is tied to very rigorous
guidelines and controls that tend to be fairly conservative. This is great
- Original Message -
Workstation might implement easy installation of alternative desktops in
the GNOME Software app at some point.
Urgh. This is just moving the problem from the installer/media selection to the
software installer. Just what would we gain by doing that given that there
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote:
- Original Message -
Workstation might implement easy installation of alternative desktops in
the GNOME Software app at some point.
Urgh. This is just moving the problem from the installer/media selection
What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next ?
The Workstation WG, looks like a Gnome only thing, will there be at place
of users of other DE's in Fedora.next ?
Best Regards
Tim
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next ?
They still exist.
The Workstation WG, looks like a Gnome only thing, will there be at place of
users of other DE's in Fedora.next ?
Workstation uses
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On 03/19/2014 07:52 AM, Tim Lauridsen wrote:
What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next ?
The Workstation WG, looks like a Gnome only thing, will there be
at place of users of other DE's in Fedora.next ?
Fedora Products
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:52:07PM +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote:
What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next ?
We had a big discussion about this last month. General consensus is that we
don't see spins going away, at least in the near future.
The Fedora products are intended to
On 03/19/2014 01:09 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
There is also a proposal for a Fedora Plasma product based around KDE. I'm
personally a little skeptical but listening -- I think want a technology
showcase masquerading as a product would miss the point, and I'd like to be
convinced that this is
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 01:29:24PM +0100, Kalev Lember wrote:
KDE should be release blocking. It's strongly represented in Fedora,
both in terms of users and available developer resources. We should make
sure KDE is fully functional before rolling out a Fedora release.
Should this (the release
On 03/19/2014 01:35 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 01:29:24PM +0100, Kalev Lember wrote:
KDE should be release blocking. It's strongly represented in Fedora,
both in terms of users and available developer resources. We should make
sure KDE is fully functional before rolling
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 02:27:45PM +0100, Kalev Lember wrote:
I would like to see more focus in Fedora. And to me, having these 3 core
Products is a good way of doing that. Instead of saying that everything
in Fedora is equal, we would now say that these 3 products are the main
deliverable.
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