Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Michel Lind
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 09:20:32PM -, Japheth J.C. Cleaver wrote: > > The System-V scripts are also deprecated since systemd v254 so > > eventually they'll be going away too: > > > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2023-August/049349.html > > This change should be

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Japheth
> The System-V scripts are also deprecated since systemd v254 so > eventually they'll be going away too: > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2023-August/049349.html This change should be reverted in Fedora. The "systemd cabal"'s hatred of SysV is insufficient justification

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 9:41 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > Michel Lind just prompted me to notice that the 'network' service > appears to have been removed from initscripts in Fedora 40+. > Should this have been a Change? How worried are we about it going out > in Fedora 40 without having

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Peter Robinson
> > > Just for record, the removal of network-scripts was done because > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/dhclient_deprecation > > > > That page has Category:ChangePageIncomplete. > > dhcp-client is present in F40, even though it has Provides:deprecated(). > > > > > Network-scripts

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2024-04-15 at 10:44 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:46:39AM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: > > Just for record, the removal of network-scripts was done because > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/dhclient_deprecation > > That page has

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:46:39AM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: > Just for record, the removal of network-scripts was done because > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/dhclient_deprecation That page has Category:ChangePageIncomplete. dhcp-client is present in F40, even though it has

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Beniamino Galvani
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 05:44:36PM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > On 4/12/24 16:46, Adam Williamson wrote: > > it seems since I last looked at this, NM has grown some level of > > openvswitch support, but it seems to be limited, and I don't know off- > > hand if it's sufficient for what openQA needs.

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Beniamino Galvani
On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 08:13:30AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2024-04-13 at 18:17 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 06:00:41PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > This should have been an announced Change. This is a significant > > > > change with wide impact.

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-15 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
Just for record, the removal of network-scripts was done because https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/dhclient_deprecation Network-scripts heavily depend on dhclient and there is no plan to rework them to use a different dhcp implementation. ne 14. 4. 2024 v 17:14 odesílatel Adam Williamson <

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2024-04-13 at 18:17 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 06:00:41PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > This should have been an announced Change. This is a significant > > > change with wide impact. > > > > I've filed a bug, proposed it as a blocker, and filed a FESCo

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said: > > With this change, existing profiles in ifcfg format will be automatically > > migrated to the native keyfile format via a migration service shipped with > > the NetworkManager-initscripts-ifcfg-rh package. In Fedora, we plan to > > drop the plugin by

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 06:00:41PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > This should have been an announced Change. This is a significant > > change with wide impact. > > I've filed a bug, proposed it as a blocker, and filed a FESCo ticket > asking FESCo to designate the bug as a blocker. > >

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2024-04-12 at 19:03 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 4:41 PM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > Michel Lind just prompted me to notice that the 'network' service > > appears to have been removed from initscripts in Fedora 40+. This > > change seems to have landed in

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-12 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 4:41 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > Michel Lind just prompted me to notice that the 'network' service > appears to have been removed from initscripts in Fedora 40+. This > change seems to have landed in February without any fanfare - >

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-12 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 4/12/24 16:46, Adam Williamson wrote: it seems since I last looked at this, NM has grown some level of openvswitch support, but it seems to be limited, and I don't know off- hand if it's sufficient for what openQA needs. I will need to look into that.

Re: network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2024-04-12 at 14:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > unnoticed. There *are* still reasons to use the network service; I > still use it on the openQA worker hosts, for instance, because there is > integration between openvswitch and the legacy network service, but no > integration between

network service removed in Fedora 40 without a Change proposal(?)

2024-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
Michel Lind just prompted me to notice that the 'network' service appears to have been removed from initscripts in Fedora 40+. This change seems to have landed in February without any fanfare - https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/initscripts/c/414789841de9247310ebfd37cd043b75963f7cac?branch=rawhide