Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 6:29 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 06:34:16PM +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 08. 07. 22 v 4:59 Stewart Smith via devel napsal(a): > > > > Another - what do we do about, e.g., Fedora IoT and Fedora CoreOS, > > > > which have their

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 2:46 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Mon, 2022-07-11 at 07:02 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:34 PM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > > > Dne 08. 07. 22 v 4:59 Stewart Smith via devel napsal(a): > > > > > > Another - what do we do about, e.g., Fedora

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-13 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 06:34:16PM +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 08. 07. 22 v 4:59 Stewart Smith via devel napsal(a): > > > Another - what do we do about, e.g., Fedora IoT and Fedora CoreOS, > > > which have their own somewhat different release/life cycles? What about > > > module lifecycles?

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-13 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 08:52:28AM -0500, Kate Stewart wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 6:02 AM Josh Boyer > wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:34 PM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > > > Dne 08. 07. 22 v 4:59 Stewart Smith via devel napsal(a): > > > > > > Another - what do we do about, e.g.,

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2022-07-11 at 07:02 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:34 PM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > Dne 08. 07. 22 v 4:59 Stewart Smith via devel napsal(a): > > > > Another - what do we do about, e.g., Fedora IoT and Fedora CoreOS, > > which have their own somewhat different

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-11 Thread Kate Stewart
On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 6:02 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:34 PM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > Dne 08. 07. 22 v 4:59 Stewart Smith via devel napsal(a): > > > > Another - what do we do about, e.g., Fedora IoT and Fedora CoreOS, > > which have their own somewhat different

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-11 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:34 PM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 08. 07. 22 v 4:59 Stewart Smith via devel napsal(a): > > Another - what do we do about, e.g., Fedora IoT and Fedora CoreOS, > which have their own somewhat different release/life cycles? What about > module lifecycles? What is it

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-11 Thread Artém S . Tashkinóv
> I am not excited, because I feel it doesn't add any value to Fedora. It's not about adding "value", it's about making sure that people realize that they are running unsupported software which no longer receives updates and might have vulnerabilities, including remote. Actually, any now

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-10 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 08. 07. 22 v 4:59 Stewart Smith via devel napsal(a): Another - what do we do about, e.g., Fedora IoT and Fedora CoreOS, which have their own somewhat different release/life cycles? What about module lifecycles? What is it about*lifecycles* that's important, anyway? Don't we maybe want to

RE: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-07 Thread Stewart Smith via devel
Adam Williamson writes: > On Thu, 2022-07-07 at 10:49 -0700, Stewart Smith via devel wrote: >> We actually have a skeleton design for such a thing (it says what >> updates and upgrades are available), but we've lagged on >> both posting to devel@ that it's something we've been working on, and I

RE: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-07 Thread Stewart Smith via devel
Josh Boyer writes: > I really don't think encoding lifecycle information in the > installation itself is the right approach, but it's perhaps the most > tenable one for Fedora. However, until Fedora definitively moves to > using independent lifecycles for their releases, this is a game of >

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2022-07-07 at 10:49 -0700, Stewart Smith via devel wrote: > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek writes: > > In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible > > notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals > > for online checks were discussed in the bug,

RE: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-07 Thread Stewart Smith via devel
Kevin Kofler via devel writes: > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible >> notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals >> for online checks were discussed in the bug, but I think we might make >> do with

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-07 Thread Stewart Smith via devel
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek writes: > In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible > notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals > for online checks were discussed in the bug, but I think we might make > do with something much simpler. We've been

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 06.07.22 21:05, Gary Buhrmaster (gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 3:45 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/23924 proposes adding > > SUPPORT_END=-MM-DD to /usr/lib/os-release. > > I like the concept, but >

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 3:45 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/23924 proposes adding > SUPPORT_END=-MM-DD to /usr/lib/os-release. I like the concept, but (warning, taxonomy discussion) The announcement for os-release included the

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible > notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals > for online checks were discussed in the bug, but I think we might make > do with something much simpler. That will just

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi, On July 6, 2022 3:44:49 PM UTC, "Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek" wrote: >Hi, > >In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible >notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals >for online checks were discussed in the bug, but I think we might make >do

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 06.07.22 um 17:44 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: Hi, In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals for online checks were discussed in the bug, but I think we might make do with something much

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Ben Cotton
I'm in favor. I'm not too concerned about updates to the EOL date post-release. Most people won't be terribly upset if we actually EOL a week or two later than advertised (now if we EOL before the advertised date, then we have a problem). This proposal is a good step that doesn't require much

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Daniel Gonçalves
Le 2022-07-06 18:04, Ewoud Kohl van Wijngaarden a écrit : I like the idea. It's very easy to use and because it's offline it doesn't have any privacy considerations. The service can't be offline either. This idea is very elegant for offline systems with estimated SUPPORT_END date initially

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 06/07/2022 17:44, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Inhttps://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible notification when a Fedora stops being supported. +1. I like this idea. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 12:21 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mi, 06.07.22 18:15, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote: > > > I'm aware of the release schedule ;) > > The date would only need to be set (at most) twice: > > - once before the release of Fn > > - after Fn+2 is

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mi, 06.07.22 18:15, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote: > I'm aware of the release schedule ;) > The date would only need to be set (at most) twice: > - once before the release of Fn > - after Fn+2 is released and Fn has 1 month left > (only if Fn+2 slipped) > > And it's

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 11:59:29AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 11:49 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible > > >

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Ewoud Kohl van Wijngaarden
On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 11:47:21AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Hi, In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals for online checks were

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 11:49 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible > > notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals > > for

Re: proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Hi, > > In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible > notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals > for online checks were discussed in the bug, but I think we might make > do

proposal idea: EOL notifications

2022-07-06 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, In https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2803 Artem asked for a user-visible notification when a Fedora stops being supported. Various proposals for online checks were discussed in the bug, but I think we might make do with something much simpler. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/23924