[freenet-devl] Re: [freenet-support] Freesite key format in 0.4

2001-10-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
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[freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Oskar Sandberg
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:36:08AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:12:54PM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote: > > > > The code in cvs is still badly broken. Pitching it as usable would be > > devious and irresponsible. > > I am obviously not proposing that we misrepresent the

[freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 25 October 2001 15:04, ian wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:51:17PM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote: > > Well, everybody who are trying to use 0.4 are having lockups and loops > > several times a day, as well loosing the datastore every now and then. > > I have been running 0.4 on

[freenet-devl] Re: A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Oskar Sandberg
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 11:14:09AM -0600, Bryan Derksen wrote: <> > Remove the 0.3 version from the web page without putting up 0.4 to replace > it, and with only the note "temporarily taken down for development > reasons" or something similarly ambiguous. Five minutes later, a thousand >

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread toad
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 06:04:47PM +, Timm Murray wrote: > > > > It might be best to put pictures and such that appear on every page to > > > > be > > > > put in tarballs, while the individual pages are on their own (though > > > > preferably gziped). I can't think of a good excuse for not

[freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Oskar Sandberg
The code in cvs is still badly broken. Pitching it as usable would be devious and irresponsible. On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:33:24AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > So, I think the rule of thumb about when 0.4 becomes 0.5 is when it is > more stable then 0.3. I have been waiting for Tavin to check in

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread toad
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 04:41:03PM +0100, degs wrote: > On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:18, Timm Murray wrote: > > > On Thursday 25 October 2001 13:49, you wrote: > > > > In local.freenet, you wrote: > > > > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting > > > > > freesites as a

[freenet-devl] Windows Installer Suggestion

2001-10-25 Thread Adam Langley
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[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Timm Murray
> > > It might be best to put pictures and such that appear on every page to be > > > put in tarballs, while the individual pages are on their own (though > > > preferably gziped). I can't think of a good excuse for not gzipping the > > > individual pages, as long as clients support it

[freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Tavin Cole
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:33:24AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > So, I think the rule of thumb about when 0.4 becomes 0.5 is when it is > more stable then 0.3. I have been waiting for Tavin to check in his new > datastore code which will hopefully fix the only significant remaining > bug that I am

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread degs
On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:18, degs wrote: > On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:13, Timm Murray wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting > > > freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the > > > site. (Or two archives -

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread degs
On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:13, Timm Murray wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites > > as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or > > two archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). > >

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread toad
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:29:00AM -0500, Mark J Roberts wrote: > Volker Stolz: > > In local.freenet, you wrote: > > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites > > > as > > > a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two > > > archives

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Timm Murray
> On Thursday 25 October 2001 13:49, you wrote: > > In local.freenet, you wrote: > > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites > > > as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or > > > two archives - one for the static portion and one for

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Timm Murray
> Hi, > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as > a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two > archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). I've suggested this before. The only thing is that viewing

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Volker Stolz
In local.freenet, you wrote: > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as > a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two > archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). Can you think up a reason why this isn't

[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread degs
On Thursday 25 October 2001 13:49, you wrote: > In local.freenet, you wrote: > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites > > as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or > > two archives - one for the static portion and one for today's

[freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Tony Godshall
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:24:41AM +0100, degs wrote: > Hi, > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as > a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two > archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). > > This

[freenet-devl] Re: A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Bryan Derksen
> The dilemma is that people seem to be voting with their feet as to which > version they think is more stable - just about all of the 0.3 freesites > have migrated to 0.4 - yet we are still getting thousands of downloads > of 0.3 daily... all of whom are likely to be rather disappointed. >

[freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread degs
Hi, It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). This could make both retreiving freesites more reliable due to the

[freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Mark J Roberts
Volker Stolz: > In local.freenet, you wrote: > > It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites > > as > > a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two > > archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). > > Can you

[freenet-devl] WinInstaller

2001-10-25 Thread Sebastian Späth
Sure, making Freenet available as an NT service makes sense. I have no experience with services though and would have to experiment a bit first. I'll look into the given examples and see if I can get it working. if somebodz else is faster or wants to support me with this, feel free to step

[freenet-devl] Windows Installer Suggestion

2001-10-25 Thread Dave Hooper
I wrote > Anyway, it wouldn't execute net.exe, it would go directly through the SCM > but the end result would be the same. If implemented properly, the systray > app could send configuration requests directly to the service and then Ian Clarke wrote > Yes, but remember that we must still

[freenet-devl] Windows Installer Suggestion

2001-10-25 Thread Dave Hooper
> > o The freenet systray application assumes the node runs like any normal > > executable file. In fact the freenet systray application stops and > > restarts the node at will > Could the systray applet not simply execute appropriate "net.exe start > " or "net.exe stop " to start and stop

Re: [freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Mark J Roberts
Volker Stolz: In local.freenet, you wrote: It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). Can you think up a reason

Re:[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Timm Murray
Hi, It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). I've suggested this before. The only thing is that viewing Freenet

Re: [freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Timm Murray
On Thursday 25 October 2001 13:49, you wrote: In local.freenet, you wrote: It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two archives - one for the static portion and one for today's

Re:[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread degs
On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:13, Timm Murray wrote: Hi, It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two archives - one for the static portion and one for today's insert). I've

Re:[freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread degs
On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:18, degs wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:13, Timm Murray wrote: Hi, It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two archives - one for the

Re: [freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread degs
On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:18, Timm Murray wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2001 13:49, you wrote: In local.freenet, you wrote: It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two

[freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Ian Clarke
So, I think the rule of thumb about when 0.4 becomes 0.5 is when it is more stable then 0.3. I have been waiting for Tavin to check in his new datastore code which will hopefully fix the only significant remaining bug that I am aware of (I believe there are workarounds for the heisenbugs and

Re: [freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Oskar Sandberg
The code in cvs is still badly broken. Pitching it as usable would be devious and irresponsible. On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:33:24AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: So, I think the rule of thumb about when 0.4 becomes 0.5 is when it is more stable then 0.3. I have been waiting for Tavin to check in

[freenet-devl] Re: A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Bryan Derksen
The dilemma is that people seem to be voting with their feet as to which version they think is more stable - just about all of the 0.3 freesites have migrated to 0.4 - yet we are still getting thousands of downloads of 0.3 daily... all of whom are likely to be rather disappointed.

Re: [freenet-devl] Re: A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Oskar Sandberg
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 11:14:09AM -0600, Bryan Derksen wrote: Remove the 0.3 version from the web page without putting up 0.4 to replace it, and with only the note temporarily taken down for development reasons or something similarly ambiguous. Five minutes later, a thousand paranoid geeks

Re: [freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:12:54PM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote: The code in cvs is still badly broken. Pitching it as usable would be devious and irresponsible. I am obviously not proposing that we misrepresent the stability of the code to anyone. The question, however, is whether it is

Re: [freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Oskar Sandberg
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:36:08AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:12:54PM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote: The code in cvs is still badly broken. Pitching it as usable would be devious and irresponsible. I am obviously not proposing that we misrepresent the stability

Re: [freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread toad
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 04:41:03PM +0100, degs wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2001 16:18, Timm Murray wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2001 13:49, you wrote: In local.freenet, you wrote: It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant

Re: [freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread Timm Murray
It might be best to put pictures and such that appear on every page to be put in tarballs, while the individual pages are on their own (though preferably gziped). I can't think of a good excuse for not gzipping the individual pages, as long as clients support it transparently. Can

Re: [freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread toad
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 06:04:47PM +, Timm Murray wrote: It might be best to put pictures and such that appear on every page to be put in tarballs, while the individual pages are on their own (though preferably gziped). I can't think of a good excuse for not gzipping the

Re: [freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:51:17PM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote: Well, everybody who are trying to use 0.4 are having lockups and loops several times a day, as well loosing the datastore every now and then. I have been running 0.4 on both Windows and Linux machines for over a week now without

Re: [freenet-devl] idea: insert freessites as tar.gz split-file

2001-10-25 Thread degs
On Thursday 25 October 2001 20:00, Tony Godshall wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:24:41AM +0100, degs wrote: Hi, It occurred to me that there might be some benefit to inserting freesites as a single redundant splitfile containing an archive of the site. (Or two archives - one for the

Re: [freenet-devl] A Dilemma

2001-10-25 Thread Gianni Johansson
On Thursday 25 October 2001 15:04, ian wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:51:17PM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote: Well, everybody who are trying to use 0.4 are having lockups and loops several times a day, as well loosing the datastore every now and then. I have been running 0.4 on both

[freenet-devl] Re: [freenet-support] Freesite key format in 0.4

2001-10-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
Marco A. Calamari ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In 0.4 how I can retrieve a key in the future or in the past ? Is the 0.3 method, i.e /mmddhh-name// still valid ? No, it's not. In 0.4, the developers decided to use a non-human-readable date format. So intead of