On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 22:41:41 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/5/2022 7:26 AM, mee6 wrote:
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 19:26:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/4/2022 5:29 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I guess going around the horn is a synonym for lets pretend
there wasn't prior art and keep
On 6/5/2022 10:49 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 22:41:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
That are *C* compilers doing imports for *C* code?
https://clang.llvm.org/docs/Modules.html
And I am out of this thread.
I had thought that was just for ObjectiveC. It seems it does work
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 11:23:44 UTC, Daniel N wrote:
So Object-C can import C, but *C* cannot import *C*.
Objective-C is a proper superset of C AFAIK.
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 03:17:34 UTC, forkit wrote:
cannot have encapsulation unless it is put into a super type
(the module), all by its self (with no friends).
It can have friends - they just need to be in the same file
(module).
And a class without its friend is really only half a type -
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 05:49:55 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 22:41:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/4/2022 10:54 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
That paper had a real implementation to follow along,
I didn't see it.
while Lucid and IBM products were real things one could
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 11:02:32 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
Yes, Objective-C has added modules to C since forever… Just
rename your .c file to .m
I guess that would be the first.
Or maybe not… you still use .h, so it depends on the
implementation. Pointless discussion really.
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 05:49:55 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
https://clang.llvm.org/docs/Modules.html
And I am out of this thread.
Yes, Objective-C has added modules to C since forever… Just
rename your .c file to .m
I guess that would be the first.
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 01:05:38 UTC, zjh wrote:
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 00:19:16 UTC, zjh wrote:
Because it's fun to be first!
Yes, `'d'` is always independent.
[C++'s
moudle](https://www.oschina.net/news/198583/c-plus-plus-23-to-introduce-module-support)
`D`, hurry up and get
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 03:17:34 UTC, forkit wrote:
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 00:19:16 UTC, zjh wrote:
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 22:41:41 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
But yes, as far as i know, D is the first to do this - i.e.
turn the class into a pseudo type, that cannot have
encapsulation
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 05:01:27 UTC, forkit wrote:
The addidtion of a little character, @, to word private, could
change this:
@private // Compiler says: oh. so you really want private to
mean private? ok. I'll do it for you. no problem.
You need a `DIP`.
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 05:48:14 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
Now, that is trolling.
Ali
juvenalian satire, perhaps. I'd accept that.
But trolling? Really?
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 05:48:14 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
Now, that is trolling.
Ali
Well, I could argue, correctly, that trolling is when someone
picks only part of your argument, and uses only that part to
support their own agenda - which is to destroy your argument by
making it out to
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 22:41:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/4/2022 10:54 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
That paper had a real implementation to follow along,
I didn't see it.
while Lucid and IBM products were real things one could buy.
That are *C* compilers doing imports for *C* code?
On 6/5/22 22:01, forkit wrote:
> I have no doubt that many in the D community would also love to remove
> the class abstraction from the langauge, completely, and then they could
> force people into thinking 'the D way'.
I must accept that "you have no doubt" but that claim is baseless.
> I
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 03:28:07 UTC, zjh wrote:
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 03:17:34 UTC, forkit wrote:
Some new languages have even gone out of there way to get rid
of the class type completely! At least D hasn't gone that
far.. yet. I suspect there are many in the D community that
would
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 03:28:07 UTC, zjh wrote:
`Rust` seems no class. These people are too radical.
It is easy to `make mistakes` if you take big `changes`.
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 03:17:34 UTC, forkit wrote:
Some new languages have even gone out of there way to get rid
of the class type completely! At least D hasn't gone that far..
yet. I suspect there are many in the D community that would
welcome that ;-)
I don't know many other
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 00:19:16 UTC, zjh wrote:
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 22:41:41 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Because it's fun to be first!
Yes, `'d'` is always independent.
For example, `'d'` is the `first one` without `class
encapsulation`.
To be fair, the encapsulation of a class can
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 00:19:16 UTC, zjh wrote:
Because it's fun to be first!
Yes, `'d'` is always independent.
[C++'s
moudle](https://www.oschina.net/news/198583/c-plus-plus-23-to-introduce-module-support)
`D`, hurry up and get nervous.
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 22:41:41 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Because it's fun to be first!
Yes, `'d'` is always independent.
For example, `'d'` is the `first one` without `class
encapsulation`.
On 6/4/2022 10:54 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
That paper had a real implementation to follow along,
I didn't see it.
while Lucid and IBM
products were real things one could buy.
That are *C* compilers doing imports for *C* code?
What C compilers have imports:
gcc - nope
clang - nope
VC - nope
On 6/5/2022 7:26 AM, mee6 wrote:
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 19:26:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/4/2022 5:29 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I guess going around the horn is a synonym for lets pretend there wasn't
prior art and keep arguing D did it first, as usual.
Writing a paper is not doing
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 19:26:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/4/2022 5:29 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I guess going around the horn is a synonym for lets pretend
there wasn't prior art and keep arguing D did it first, as
usual.
Writing a paper is not doing it first.
Why do you care so
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 04:42:44 UTC, claptrap wrote:
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 12:29:59 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 07:40:36 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 5/29/2022 11:13 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Precompiled headers for C and C++ were certainly a
module-like system
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 19:26:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/4/2022 5:29 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I guess going around the horn is a synonym for lets pretend
there wasn't prior art and keep arguing D did it first, as
usual.
Writing a paper is not doing it first.
That paper had a real
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 12:29:59 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 07:40:36 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 5/29/2022 11:13 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Precompiled headers for C and C++ were certainly a module-like
system (I know because I wrote one), but they are horrific
On 6/4/2022 5:29 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I guess going around the horn is a synonym for lets pretend there wasn't prior
art and keep arguing D did it first, as usual.
Writing a paper is not doing it first.
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 07:40:36 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 5/29/2022 11:13 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
[...]
Not the same as C doing the importing of C code.
[...]
Going around the horn, really doing it the hard way. Besides,
writing a paper is not the same thing as implementing a
On 5/29/2022 11:13 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Stepstone did it for Objective-C with #import,
Not the same as C doing the importing of C code.
and Apple with module maps for C
and Objective-C, the modules design that preceeded C++ modules on clang.
Then we have those failed attempts at fixing C
On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 01:54:16 UTC, forkit wrote:
On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:54:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 4/17/2022 1:12 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
Slides:
https://nwcpp.org/talks/2022/modules_in_c.pdf
Video:
On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 01:54:16 UTC, forkit wrote:
On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:54:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 4/17/2022 1:12 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
Slides:
https://nwcpp.org/talks/2022/modules_in_c.pdf
Video:
On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:54:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 4/17/2022 1:12 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
Slides:
https://nwcpp.org/talks/2022/modules_in_c.pdf
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
Here is the
Invidious instances:
https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
On 4/17/2022 1:12 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
Slides:
https://nwcpp.org/talks/2022/modules_in_c.pdf
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
On Tuesday, 19 April 2022 at 12:41:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 20:12:38 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
Will there be a recording available?
Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImfbGm0fls
On 4/19/2022 5:41 AM, jmh530 wrote:
Will there be a recording available?
Yes. NWCPP routinely posts the video a few days later.
On Tuesday, 19 April 2022 at 12:46:16 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
[snip]
Talks from past NWCPP meetups are on their YouTube channel here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/NWCPP/videos
I assume this one will be there, too.
Thanks.
On Tuesday, 19 April 2022 at 12:41:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 20:12:38 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
Will there be a recording available?
Talks from past NWCPP meetups are on their YouTube channel here:
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 20:12:38 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
Will there be a recording available?
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 20:12:38 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
I thought to that when you made this, a few weeks ago, for
importC: "that's 10 lines because module system is already backed
by D system of scopes, symbol lookups(,
On 4/17/2022 5:40 PM, Ali Çehreli wrote:
On 4/17/22 13:12, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
(My earlier post disappeared.)
April 20 is Wednesday.
Ali
Gak! My bad. You're right.
On 4/17/22 13:12, Walter Bright wrote:
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
(My earlier post disappeared.)
April 20 is Wednesday.
Ali
https://nwcpp.org/
An online presentation.
Monday at 7PM PST.
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