[digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread hteller
Hi Tony, The original reason we went to DominoEx instead of MFSK16 or PSK63 was because at VHF (we were originally using SSB), transceiver drift, in addition to multipath, is a major problem and MFSK16 is much more critical for mistuning or drift (on SSB) than DominoEx. But, when using FM,

[digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
Hi Tony. I suppose the reason is that we are comparing MFSK16/DominoEX over FM versus MFSK16/DominoEX over SSB. I believe they are just different animals. SSB only shifts signals in frequency. FM does much more complex (in mathematical sense) transformation. Skip is doing interesting pioneering

[digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread kh6ty
Hi Vojtech, Thanks for the tip. I totally forgot about the possible effect of deemphasis and what effect the center audio frequency might have. Our goal with NBEMS has always been able to reach at least 100 miles reliably, in order to span the largest expected disaster area to reach Internet

[digitalradio] RFSM8000 qrg's?

2009-02-22 Thread Wolf, oe7ftj
Hi all! Are there CoA frequencies with RFSM8000 between individuals or dedicated frequencies with automatic stations or servers or gates with RFSM8000 modulation? We have done some good tests regionally here and would like to connect stations mostly in europe for EmComm tests. 73 de Wolf,

RE: [digitalradio] RFSM8000 qrg's?

2009-02-22 Thread John Bradley
I have RFSM8000 installed on a machine here in Canada, although it is not currently running. I have had some difficulty contacting Dmitri, and wondered if he is still actively pursuing RFSM8000. Have you heard from him ? As a result we have been testing Pactor 3 for the same purpose.. it

[digitalradio] Re: RFSM8000 qrg's?

2009-02-22 Thread Wolf, oe7ftj
Hi John! I contacted Dmitri some months ago and he sent me a trial code for hams. In the meantime he released the version 0.535 but I did have no contact with him the last few weeks. So I think he is still working on RFSM8000. In our local tests pactor3 has won the 'competition' :-) Because of

Re: [digitalradio] RFSM8000 qrg's?

2009-02-22 Thread Rick W
Hi Wolf, Be sure to keep us informed as to your results. It is ironic that we can not use MIL-STD-188-110A type modulation here in the U.S. HF ham bands, at least not in the text RTTY/Data areas, with the requirement to keep the baud rate of any one tone no faster than 300 baud. The RFSM

[digitalradio] Re: RFSM8000 qrg's?

2009-02-22 Thread Wolf, oe7ftj
Rick et al! --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick W mrf...@... wrote: Hi Wolf, Be sure to keep us informed as to your results. Yes I will share our experiences here in the group. It is ironic that we can not use MIL-STD-188-110A type modulation here in the U.S. HF ham bands, at

RE: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM8000 qrg's?

2009-02-22 Thread John Bradley
Hi Wolf we have the same problem here, waiting for warm WX to do antenna work, not like our cousins to the south. Keep us posted... By the way, also had the ham key, but it has become corrupted , so RFSM8000 thinks my call is OK5tw or something like that John From:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM8000 qrg's?

2009-02-22 Thread Rick W
The non-standard protocol is a slightly slower, but less bandwidth to fit in the passband of many ham rigs. The baud rate is still 2400 baud of course so can not be used in the HF RTTY/Data portions of the bands here in the U.S. It may be legal in our MF (160 meter) band and in the phone/image

[digitalradio] Modes - What are they and What about New Developement??

2009-02-22 Thread Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle
Hi All, I am hoping with the number of members in this group that someone might be able to answer my question. Many years ago, as we know radio started off with CW, then AM was developed, with an improvement to only use one part of the AM carrier to produce SSB with carrier or SSB suppressed

[digitalradio] Re: Modes - What are they and What about New Developement??

2009-02-22 Thread Andrew O'Brien
- What about... Angle modulation Double-sideband reduced-carrier transmission Double-sideband suppressed carrier Hierarchical modulation Higher-order modulation Wavelet modulation -- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle spar...@... wrote: Hi All,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Modes - What are they and What about New Developement??

2009-02-22 Thread Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle
Andrew, Now that you mention it I have heard of DSB suppressed carrier, but none of the others. But isn't DSB acutally AM? Either with or without the carrier? I will have to look at this. I will have to have a look at these other modes, couple of them sound interesting. Thanks for the info

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Modes - What are they and What about New Developement??

2009-02-22 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle spar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey Rochelle spar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Modes - What are they and What about New Developement?? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday,

[digitalradio] illinoisdigital group

2009-02-22 Thread Rick W
I was able to contact Mark, WB9QZB, and he indicated that his yahoo e-mail account and the group were disabled by Yahoo with no notice or explanation. It is very difficult to even contact Yahoo customer service, which is offshore, but he is working through corporate in California to attempt

Re: [digitalradio] Modes - What are they and What about New Developement??

2009-02-22 Thread Rick W
Hi Kevin, Perhaps it might help to use the ITU three symbol Classification of Emissions? The first symbol considers the main carrier modulation with letters such as A = DSB AM, B = independent sidebands, etc. This would give you the AM modes and the F = FM and G = PM modulation types. Then

Re: [digitalradio] illinoisdigital group

2009-02-22 Thread Tim N9PUZ
Just a note here to anyone who is the owner of any Yahoo Group. NEVER have just a single owner email address. At a minimum use a second email address of your own from a different domain and make that person an owner too. If there is only one owner and that address bounces for some reason you

RE: [digitalradio] Modes - What are they and What about New Developement??

2009-02-22 Thread Rud Merriam
There are three characteristics you can change on an RF signal: amplitude (CW, AM, SSB, etc), phase, and frequency. Even then if you squint a little phase and frequency modulation become basically the same. So the fundamental methods of modulating a signal are all known and used. Nothing new

Re: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread Tony
Vojtech, Thank you for that explanation. I didn't know the modulation mode would make a difference. It would have been interesting to test the theory with Skip. Unfortunately, we live too far apart for VHF/FM. Thanks again... Tony - K2MO - Original Message - From: Vojtech Bubnik

Re: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread Tony
Skip, The surprise was an unexpected, consistent, fast flutter which did not seem to affect FM nearly as badly as SSB. I recently had a 100+ mile QSO on 2 meter CW. The contact involved a lot of aircraft scatter with frequency shifts in excess of 50Hz. There were other signal components

[digitalradio] FREQUENCIES RFSM8000 and MIL-Re: RFSM8000 qrg's?

2009-02-22 Thread expeditionradio
Hi Wolf, 1806.0 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Wolf, oe7ftj wolf.hoel...@... wrote: Hi all! Are there CoA frequencies with RFSM8000 between individuals or dedicated frequencies with automatic stations or servers or gates with RFSM8000 modulation? We have done some good tests