Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread Rick W
Good points, Dave, Considering that RTTY, the oldest digital mode (not counting morse code which goes back to spark), is still one of the most common modes, and PSK31 is the most common of the newer modes, it appears that there is only a small interest in any new digital technology. When I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread kh6ty
Rick and Dave, NBEMS was created and submitted at the eleventh hour as a reply to Rinaldo's search for an HF protocol, but instead as a VHF system, mainly for emcomm. We afterwards expanded it to include HF messaging for extended range where VHF does not work, but is still primarily a digital

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread Simon (HB9DRV)
Two areas where there is a need for digital comms: 1) Satellite / deep space 2) Boat owners far away without internet (let's ditch PACTOR please) I'm indirectly involved with 1) and am following the WINMOR project which looks very interesting. Here in central Europe there's not a huge need for

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread Steinar Aanesland
let's ditch PACTOR please -no la5vna Steinar Simon (HB9DRV) wrote: Two areas where there is a need for digital comms: 1) Satellite / deep space 2) Boat owners far away without internet (let's ditch PACTOR please) I'm indirectly involved with 1) and am following the WINMOR project

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread kh6ty
Simon, The problem is not with Pactor, per se, but with the arrogance of those who consider retrieval of their precious email more important than the QSO that is already on the frequency. They just happen to be using Pactor, but since Pactor is an ARQ mode, and usually linked to a robot, by

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread Rick W
I am not necessarily opposed to other hams using Pactor modes, but the one issue that is consistently ignored seems to be the transmission of fax/image data when using the wide bandwidth modes. If kept at 500 Hz or less, the changes in the rules a few years back finally allows fax/image to

[digitalradio] Anti-Digital Hams

2009-03-05 Thread expeditionradio
Why is there a need in ham radio for mode wars? Is it counterproductive to have so much negativity and misinformation being spouted about various digital modes and methods by those who profess to be proponents of digital ham radio? Why is it necessary for a person who advocates some

Re: [digitalradio] Anti-Digital Hams

2009-03-05 Thread Sholto Fisher
There would be no mode wars if people take the time to understand the benefits and limitations each mode has and make it a personal rule to test the mode fully in a live setting before applying negative comments. So much understanding can be gained from experience. The same goes for sound card

[digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread Graham
Steinar, I think the 'request' may be based round 'access for all' and not the banishment of the mode .. In a abstract way, this seems to fit the bill :) The time has come, the Walrus said, To talk of many things: Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax-- Of cabbages--and kings--

[digitalradio] NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation Forecast #2009-06

2009-03-05 Thread nz4o
The NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation Forecast #2009-06 has been published on Thursday 03/05/2009 at 1800 UTC, valid UTC Saturday 03/07/2009 through 2359 UTC Friday 03/13/2009 at http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf6.htm . 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA

[digitalradio] the time to understand the benefits and limitations each mode

2009-03-05 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Sholto Fisher sho...@... wrote: There would be no mode wars if people take the time to understand the benefits and limitations each mode has and make it a personal rule to test the mode fully in a live setting before applying negative comments. So much

[digitalradio] Re: Anti-Digital Hams

2009-03-05 Thread Dave Bernstein
The *only* ill will I've seen expressed is over the use of automatic stations that transmit without first verifying that the frequency is in use. This has nothing whatsoever to do with modes. It is unfortunate that one particular mode (Pactor 3) is conflated with this style of operation, but as

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Anti-Digital Hams

2009-03-05 Thread Rick W
What I would like to know is what negativity and misinformation was even mentioned. From now on lets be fair about making such statements by actually quoting the alleged negative and misinformed statement so the rest of us can make an informed decision whether such claims are even

[digitalradio] NTS Digital

2009-03-05 Thread Rick W
Maybe some of you can help me with understanding the current digital state of the art with NTS. Recently, there have been some NTS yahoogroups formed for our region and the sections in that region. There is no digital presence at this time, however, at least one ham I knew in past years (now

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Oh thank the Gods, Here I was thinking that you was one of the anti wide - anti hardware type guys, At 04:07 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: I am not necessarily opposed to other hams using Pactor modes, but the one issue that is consistently ignored seems to be the transmission of fax/image data

RE: [digitalradio] NTS Digital

2009-03-05 Thread David Little
Rick, Army MARS is using MT-63 on mixed mode nets with some regularity. We also use Olivia when conditions warrant the slower speed of transmission. Easypal is also being used for picture transmission, as well as text broadcasts. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From:

[digitalradio] Re: ALE digital activity

2009-03-05 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick W mrf...@... wrote: Considering that RTTY, the oldest digital mode (not counting morse code which goes back to spark), is still one of the most common modes, and PSK31 is the most common of the newer modes, it appears that there is

Re: [digitalradio] NTS Digital

2009-03-05 Thread Rick W
Hi Dave, I have heard of the use of MT-63 for many years on MARS circuits, but don't think I had heard about the digital SSTV program being used. It makes tremendous sense since they are often involved in sending bulletins to their members. With one to many it is possible to have 100% ARQ