Re: [digitalradio] Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

2009-11-22 Thread WD8ARZ
Good to see this post Andy. For those concerned about having a full blown ALE station that scan, though it is preferred, it is not fully required. You can go to an established ALE channel and stay fixed. Make a long ALE call, and the scanning station(s) that can hear you will respond to you on

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM, aa777888athotmaildotcom aa777...@hotmail.com wrote: I've gave PCALE a very good try. As implemented it suffers from several problems: 1. It is equipment specific and intensive. You either need an SGC tuner set up for bypass-on-receive (the only brand I

Re: [digitalradio] Which radio ?

2009-11-22 Thread WD8ARZ
Many rigs can be brought into play for a variety of services and be a joy to own. This thread focus's on digital modes, so . I love my TS-480HX, and it is used on the base for 24/7 digital ALE operations. Its better performance due to NOT having two meters and four forty bands improves the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

2009-11-22 Thread Phil Williams
This is not really correct with PC-ALE and a modern receiver that has a internal antenna tuner. I have used PC-ALE with a TS2000 and an Icom 746 Pro and the tuner in both rigs memorizes settings for each transmission How fast does the rig need to scan? philw de ka1gmn

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE /Scan rates

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
In Multipsk and PC-ALE there are settings that enable the user to select the scanning rate . The scan rate needs to match the typical length of a sounding or a individual call. . By that I mean, if a station sounds for 15 seconds but you change frequency every 30 seconds, you are going to miss

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE /Scan rates

2009-11-22 Thread Phil Williams
Thanks for the explanation of scanning. I don't think the scanning part of this will be in the cards for me right now, but I am still interesting in participating. I agree with Charles, ALE does have a lid factor in that you can transmit automatically and on top of another QSO. I am advocating

[digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

2009-11-22 Thread aa777888athotmaildotcom
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM, aa777888athotmaildotcom aa777...@... wrote: I've gave PCALE a very good try. As implemented it suffers from several problems: 1. It is equipment specific and intensive. You

[digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
I have modified my ALE station and during daylight hours I will be scanning the following channels while in the shack most of the day (I'll add 80M later tonight) 7074 USB *7102 USB *10145.5 USB 14074 USB *14109USB * denotes standard ALE data channels commonly used by ALE

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE and rigs

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
Andy--are you saying that the TS2000 and 746 will tune BEFORE transmit (assuming valid tune data for that freq is there)? If so that's really great, but it still speaks to my issue on requiring particular and more elaborate equipment to operate real ALE, i.e. scanning ALE (which is the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
I should point out that the ALE software (both PC-ALE and Multipsk) have anti-lid features in that you can easily set-up the software NOT to transmit but continue to scan when you are out of the shack. You have to tell it each time, the sofware does not know if you are in the shack or not...

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

2009-11-22 Thread Phil Williams
14074 - 141a or ALE400? On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: I have modified my ALE station and during daylight hours I will be scanning the following channels while in the shack most of the day (I'll add 80M later tonight) 7074 USB *7102 USB

[digitalradio] for what it's worth

2009-11-22 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
No date or time stamp but I had part of a VK3 call on the screen from overnight. John, W0JAB in the center of fly over country

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
actually, I am now doing both...in a crude way. PC-ALE is controlling my rig and scanning standard ALE . I also have Multipsk running, not scanning, but it will sound an alert if a ALE400 signal is detected. PC-ALE will not pause however, since it does not know anything about ALE400, so I am not

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

2009-11-22 Thread Phil Williams
Ok thanks. For simple QSOs, what mode within standard ALE do you recommend? philw de ka1gmn On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: I am scanning in standard ALE. I would love the ability to dual scan (both regular and ALE400) but software does not permit

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
AMD is usually the one most use for a quick chat after a link is established. Since I do not use Multipsk for ALE 141 I am not really sure how AMD versus DTM or DBM is set up. ALE 400 is better for regular rag chews. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Phil Williams ka1...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

2009-11-22 Thread Charles Brabham
I think what is far more likely is that PC-ALE users simply won't care, and that as use of PC-ALE increases, so will the harmful inteference events associated with it. The system was not designed for use on amateur radio's shared spectrum, and that is why it's use is not appropriate there.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

2009-11-22 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello, Once an effective, simple and robust SELCAL standard is developed (again IMHO it should be a logical extension of the existing RSID and Call ID standards) it could eventually be parlayed into a more modern and effective variant of ALE. By using RR for the nice SELCAL idea. I'm not

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

2009-11-22 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Andy, In the auxiliary functions window, you can choose to send an AMD or a DTM or DBM message: * AMD is the standard one, * but DBM is the best way (the most reliable). 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

2009-11-22 Thread Phil Williams
Patrick, Thank you. philw de ka1gmn On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Patrick Lindecker f6...@free.fr wrote: Hello Andy, In the auxiliary functions window, you can choose to send an AMD or a DTM or DBM message: * AMD is the standard one, * but DBM is the best way (the most reliable).

[digitalradio] ALE: The great KA1GMN experiment

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
Well, it was not really a GREAT experiment in the grand scheme of things... but it worked . Phil KA1GMN proved my earlier point about ALE.. despite a lack of overall robustness comapred to other digital modes... it IS USEFUL for finding people. Today I was scanning multiple frequencies and

Re: [digitalradio] ALE: The great KA1GMN experiment

2009-11-22 Thread Phil Williams
It would have been a great experiment if I had known what I was doing. In typical philw fashion, I jumped head first and thrashed around, randomly spinning knobs, flipping switches, tapping on meters, toggling the mains, and throwing levers in a completely random fashion. Eventually, I managed

[digitalradio] Re: QRV ALE special group

2009-11-22 Thread Andy obrien
I have now added 3584 and 3596 US6 to my scan for the evening. Andy K3UK On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: I have modified my ALE station and during daylight hours I will be scanning the following channels while in the shack most of the day (I'll add 80M

[digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-22 Thread Tony
All, Does anyone know where I can find a 13 pin DIN plug switch box? I use the ACC2 socket on my Kenwood TS2000 to run sound card modes and connect my Kam Plus TNC. A switch would come in handy. Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-22 Thread Charles Brabham
You can still get serial port switches that work well for this, they have a rotary switch inside, giving you plenty of options. Here's a place that advertises them, at swap-fests you can get them for next to nothing. Use RS-232 plugs to hook everything up, I use one for a digital-or-microphone

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

2009-11-22 Thread Charles Brabham
Serial port switch link: http://sewelldirect.com/serial-db9-manual-switch-4.asp 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet.Org ! http://www.hamradionet.org