I will apply the guillotine to the discussion of ALE Busy
Detect..Attended/Unattended issue. Many helpful ideas and opinions
have been shared already, if you have anything constructive to add
please do so by 1200 UTC 26/11/09 after that I will expect comments to
end as the thread will have run
Right on Andy, it is that time of year again that seems to keep coming
around faster and faster with each passing year - do only us 'mature' folks
feel that though? hi Hi HI
Have much appreciated all the constructive comments, and looking forward to
the next generation of digital modes. Thanks
All contesters and DX pileup participants
should use busy detectors! This is quite
evident since it has been proven that such
types of operation are the source of 99% of
harmful interference and intentional interference
on the HF ham bands. Manual methods of busy
detection have been proven
From 1995 in QST
ALE Disadvantages
There are a couple of detractors related to ALE that exist for amateurs. These
are frequency selection and
interference problems. Unlike the government, which has a greater selection of
frequencies, amateurs are confined to
specific bands. ALE requires a wide
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:29:13 -, expeditionradio
expeditionra...@yahoo.com said:
All contesters and DX pileup participants
should use busy detectors! This is quite
evident since it has been proven that such
types of operation are the source of 99% of
harmful interference and
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:30:21 -0500, Alan Barrow ml9...@pinztrek.com said:
[snip]
OK, here's the challenge: Demonstrate it's feasibility if it's JSMOP.
Implement one that balances the right of the sending station not to be
QRM'd VS the expectation not to QRM. Publish an API a spec
Dave AA6YQ wrote:
To be clear, an attended station need not wait for 5 minutes of clear
frequency before transmitting; 30 seconds of no signals (meaning no
automatic station is QRV) followed by a QRL? sent in mode with no
response should be sufficient.
What does in mode mean on shared
Dave AA6YQ wrote:
+++The rules to be honored by all stations are:
1. if you're not yet in QSO, don't transmit on a frequency that is
already in use (meaning that signals have been detected during the
past 5 minutes)
2. if you're in QSO and signal other than that of your QSO partner
Lots of good or interesting opinions expressed in this discussion.
- But we all know about opinions... Everybody's got one.
Here are some of the relevant FACTS, the framework within we must not stray
with our opinions:
--
§97.101 General standards.
(a) In all respects not specifically
OK Charles that's enough you can now move on
and bad mouth whatever mode it next on your hit
list. this one is over done with.
John, W0JAB
John, what I am 'badmouthing' is illegal and rude operating habits.
I personally doubt that the WinLink group will ever clean up their act - but if
they were to do so, I would be among the first to congratulate and praise them,
you can count on that.
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Prefer to
why is it that I can put my mark tone in between
your packet mark and space and have a QSO without
you ever QRM'ing my pactor QSO? seem that packet
has out lived it's usefulness.
At 10:11 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
John, what I am 'badmouthing' is illegal and rude operating habits.
On Tuesday 24 November 2009 21:45:18 DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
I have seen the same thing. One of the problems is that 20 and 15 are the
two dx freqs in the daytime, where we might reasonably contact other scouts,
in the rest of the world. I.E. That is the typical Scout hangout for
contacts.
On the other hand, lmost of the early responders to the Extra ticket, went
there because that was where the DX was. How about saying that ONLY the
extra portion of the band could be used for the contest? Hi. Im sure to
get static on that one. ts the same though, when I read some spot
Not making a lot of sense there, John.
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
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- Original Message -
From: John Becker, WØJAB
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Makes a lot of sense
Let me try it this way - if I'm operating with my mark tone
on a freq between your mark and space you never bother
my QSO. Why is that the every time you hear a tone
close to your operating freq it's QRM.
It seems to a lot that you just like to complain.
At 11:23
To the Moderators,
This is my opinion and mine alone. I think that this thread has outlived it
usefulness. You have one saying put your money where your mouth is and
contester need to have busy dect. Then what is good winlids or packeters.
I myself have heard it all before and it hasn't
This is a generic problem: How much must a user on an adjacent frequency
take into account that his neighbor is unable or unwilling to operate at
only the bandwidth necessary for an emission? Typically, we see complaints
(here!) that while we're operating PSK 31 an emission 500 Hz away blows us
Charles
what TNC tones are you using and what is your
dial frequency?
For the life of me I cant see why we (pactor stations)
don't have the same problem as you.
John, W0JAB
Hello Steve and Andy,
If you are interested in testing and Patrick is interested in adding an
enabling feature to generate some TCP/IP commands at the proper time,
then we should be anble to bring about a more complete solution by making
use ohe Man Machine Interface
(MMI) in PC-ALE via
Hi Bonnie
I don't always agree with you , but this time I am with you 100%.
The frequency spectrum is a limited resource and it is completely
unacceptable that an over-crowded group of so-called contesters are
allowed to squeeze out other hams from the bands.
No Skip KH6TY , I don't want to
AA6YQ comments below
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of expeditionradio
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:29 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Contesters and DXers should use busy detectors
+++ AA6YQ responses below
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of Alan Barrow
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:12 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital busy detect
Dave AA6YQ wrote:
Please find a copy of supporting documents on 60 meter in Trinidad and
Tobago my licence assigned
--
73
Julien
9Z4FZ / Trinidad Tobago
M0JDD / United Kingdom
M0JDD / J3 Grenada
Amateur Radio Station
http://www.ttarl.org
###AA6YQ responses below
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of Alan Barrow
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:34 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital busy detect
Dave AA6YQ wrote:
I was ask in a direct note if I got an answer to this
question. Before anyone else ask.
I did. he said to kiss a part of his body that he sit's on.
I just can't understand what his problem really is.
I think it's equipment. I say that because I can put
my mark tone between his mark and space and
Surfing between the spectral lines. Now that's being creative!
philw de ka1gmn
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:56 PM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote:
John,
You may both be using the same tones, but are not the DSP filters sharp
enough to preserve the received tones on both ends? If you are able
Why have USA PSK stations moved down from 7070++ to operate in this region that
is typically used for CW? Bill K6ACJ
Apparently they are not cw ops, and dont care.
Danny Douglas
N7DC
ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU
CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F
Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
I Do not use, but as a
HI..in VK our digital band plan for 40m is 7030 to 7040
i also understand this is true in many EU countries..
the NA region is around 7070
so if NA ops want to contact with EU or VK/ZL using digimodes they head
for the frequencies that they are using.
if i want to contact a NA station
I would have tought, with them getting a double wide band, they would have gone
upward, if anything. Leave the cw to the lower portion, but who knows what
evil lurks in the heart of a non-cw op.
Danny Douglas
N7DC
ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
All 2 years or more
I would think Region 2 would continue to use 7070 for 'local' QSOs and only
move to 7036 when looking for DX contacts out of the region. Ok, well as a QRP
CW Op and Digi Op, I hate to see the CW portion crowded when 7070 and upwards
is entirely available.
Ok, thanks. I guess live and let
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Stelios Bounanos digra...@... wrote:
I see your point, but 2001 has come and gone and we still have no
HAL9000's to say can't let you do that OM when the SSB operator keys
his microphone. However, a busy detector could have a fighting chance
in
Moderator: I'm not engaging in busy detection further. I do want to address a
key point about perceived QRM that many forget
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave AA6YQ aa...@... wrote:
### I was not measuring the fraction of QSOs QRMed by a particular PMBO; I
was measuring the number QSOs
David Bowman wrote:
That wasn't funny. Hi Hi
With apologies to David Bowman (real fictional):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowman_(fictional_character)
What are the odds! :-)
Let's hope your parents did not see the movie I'd hate to have grown
up with Please don't do that
From: Dedier Dedier 9z...@mail.tt
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 Time: 18:28:29
[Attachment(s) from Dedier Dedier included below]
Please find a copy of supporting documents on 60 meter in Trinidad and
Tobago my licence assigned
FYI, when I tried to open the first of these pages, Opera told me the
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