Re: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-23 Thread kh6ty
Thank you for that explanation. I didn't know the modulation mode would make a difference. It would have been interesting to test the theory with Skip. Unfortunately, we live too far apart for VHF/FM. Thanks again... Tony - K2MO Tony, You do not need to test only with me! You can test

[digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-23 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
As more people try using digital modes on 2 meter FM, the overall best performing mode will automatically surface, but for the longest range on digital modes (not counting CW), it is really necessary to use SSB, and in that case, we have found that MFSK16 is just too critical for tuning to

Re: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-23 Thread kh6ty
someone else with the same setup, but that should become easier to do as time goes on. 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: Vojtech Bubnik bubn...@seznam.cz To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital

[digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread hteller
Hi Tony, The original reason we went to DominoEx instead of MFSK16 or PSK63 was because at VHF (we were originally using SSB), transceiver drift, in addition to multipath, is a major problem and MFSK16 is much more critical for mistuning or drift (on SSB) than DominoEx. But, when using FM,

[digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
Hi Tony. I suppose the reason is that we are comparing MFSK16/DominoEX over FM versus MFSK16/DominoEX over SSB. I believe they are just different animals. SSB only shifts signals in frequency. FM does much more complex (in mathematical sense) transformation. Skip is doing interesting pioneering

[digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread kh6ty
Hi Vojtech, Thanks for the tip. I totally forgot about the possible effect of deemphasis and what effect the center audio frequency might have. Our goal with NBEMS has always been able to reach at least 100 miles reliably, in order to span the largest expected disaster area to reach Internet

Re: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread Tony
bubn...@seznam.cz To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM Hi Tony. I suppose the reason is that we are comparing MFSK16/DominoEX over FM versus MFSK16/DominoEX over SSB. I believe they are just

Re: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM

2009-02-22 Thread Tony
as it is on on SSB/CW satellites. Just a thought... Tony - K2MO - Original Message - From: kh6ty kh...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS QST article/digital weak signal FM Hi Vojtech, Thanks